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 Posted 10/28/2011  12:04 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jdbarrick to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I recently responded to a craigslist ad from an individual claiming to have "15 years worth of collecting coins" for sale. I eagerly made it over to his house to see what was still available. Initially, I pegged him for a late night television coin shopper; he had a couple hundred mint sets, presidential coins, State Quarters etc. It turned out he had much more. After talking with the man, I found he knew very little about coins. He could not remember any of the US mints etc. I think I was so caught up with the coins that I took little time to acknowledge that maybe the coins were stolen. None of his prices made sense and he really really didn't know much about what he was selling yet he wanted them gone. Upon purchasing some coins... eeek.... I left feeling quite guilty as it seemed like they could have been stolen.

What would have you done in this situation?
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 Posted 10/28/2011  12:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would not have bought from him, however,that's easy for me to say sitting here on my sofa. Being there, seeing coins I want might be a different story.
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 Posted 10/28/2011  12:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gecko to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i would of tried to take photos of the coins, then try and get him in one of the shots too.
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 Posted 10/28/2011  01:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Saruma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would need to be there to really know what is going on. They could be stolen or they could have been inherited. Look at all the threads here about finding people dumping silver coins into a coinstar machine. They don't have a clue what they have, but it doesn't mean it is stolen. It could be grandpa's coin collection and the grandson would rather have cash than those "stupid old coins". On the other hand, if the guy really seemed suspicious instead of just clueless then they might be hot.

At this point you can either say what's done is done and think whether stolen or not at least they are in the hands of someone that appreciates them (instead of ending up at the refinery). If you are really concerned and want to ease your conscious then call the police and tell them about your situation and see if there are any coin collections reported stolen. They may send an officer over to talk with you, but if they don't have any reports of stolen coins matching yours they will probably just say they are yours.
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 Posted 10/28/2011  08:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdbarrick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All good input. Thank you
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 Posted 10/28/2011  09:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would normally expect a stolen collection to find its way to a seedy pawn shop before craigslist, but I have learned to never underestimate the common criminal.

There are too many unknowns for me to say whether or not this was a dirty find. This is why I prefer coin shows to craigslist, pawn shops, flea markets, and other places where ill-gotten gains can be liquidated.
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 Posted 10/28/2011  10:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add barryg to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I would normally expect a stolen collection to find its way to a seedy pawn shop before craigslist, but I have learned to never underestimate the common criminal.


In the past (and probably the present), ebay has been a venue for people to sell tens of thousands of dollars worth of shoplifted merchandise. Until they were finally caught, that is. So it wouldn't surprise me a bit to find out that people might use craigslist to fence stolen property as well. I'm not saying that's what happened, just that it wouldn't surprise me.
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 Posted 10/28/2011  11:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would have just purchased the entire mess if the price was right. You really have to look at it this way. If you don't and it's on craigslist, many others too have seen this add and will be appearing soon. Whatever you don't buy, someone else will, again if the price is right.

One thing I would have done is to simply ask why he is selling them. Nothing to loose by asking. If he appeared to get mad, irritated, etc. the worst he could do is tell you to leave. I don't think he would have shot you for asking.
Very possible he is like many others that buy stuff and just don't know what they are doing. Sounds silly but I've seen that to many times. A nighbor of mine, husband and wife retired, buy all kinds of STUFF they see on TV regardless of needing it or not. A doctor I know also does that. Just buys STUFF if it looks like something they should have. Rmember the Beanie Babies. A relative bought and got for presents hundreds of those things and never had any idea of how much they were worth, what to do with them, why even have them.
I'm afraid there are lots like that and that guy with the coins could well be just like that.
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 Posted 10/28/2011  12:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdbarrick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yea it was a very very strange situation. Never know what you'll come across on CL
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 Posted 10/28/2011  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bjones to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is the reason I don't do CL. I browse occasionally, but the place just seems to... unverified, hit and miss, for my tastes.
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 Posted 10/28/2011  12:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdbarrick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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unverified, hit and miss, for my tastes.



It really is. I'd rather do business consistently with my same dealer
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 Posted 10/28/2011  3:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think that you got stolen coins. If he had mint sets and seemed to be a TV shopper, then that's what he probably was. He may have seemed anxious to get rid of his collection because he needed the cash. People from all walks of life can end up needing cash at times and he may be a bit mad at himself for having wasted money on stuff he didn't care about -- and it didn't appreciate in value to the degree promised in the ad. Or maybe he's just downsizing and needs to get rid of stuff before he moves.

I wouldn't worry about it anymore. You certainly didn't knowingly buy anything hot.
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 Posted 10/29/2011  2:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mitchhailey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was in a local coin shop when this eighteen year old girl walks in with two fistfulls of Morgans and Walking Liberty halves. She plops 'em down and asks "How much will you give me for these?"

There was about $800 dollars in silver sitting on the counter.

The dude behind the counter says "Two hundred."

She takes it and walks out. Dude turns to me and says "This stuff is hot as hell."

Sure enough, I look out the door and the girl goes over to a group of 6 or so teenage boys and hands them the cash.

The guy knew these were stolen and bought it anyway. This stuff happens all the time, as sad as that is.
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 Posted 10/29/2011  2:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gil-galad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh yeah, it's a sad state of affairs. You have to be careful when buying coins. If you have them and the person selling them gets caught and says you have some, you can get receiving stolen property and other theft charges, possibly. Don't want that at all. And of course it isn't right to accept stolen goods.

But then who really knows in your situation. As others have said, ask the guy questions about the collection. It would also be wise to look into his eyes and watch his body posture for any reaction. Some reactions could be indicative of a lie, maybe but not always.
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 Posted 10/29/2011  3:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdbarrick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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was in a local coin shop


That would be the last time you would ever find me in that store. I bet it happens all the time
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 Posted 10/30/2011  01:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As others have stated, you just don't know the whole story, and you should have asked more questions, like why he was selling, and most importantly, how much were they? The price alone may have been a huge clue.

If indeed they were stolen coins, the guy would have been pretty stupid to have invited you to his house to conduct business. But there again, there are a lot dumb crooks.
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