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Obliterated Mint Mark On Constantius II Bronze Coin

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I just got this one in an uncleaned lot. While much of the detail is pretty nice (the obverse in particular looks much better in hand), the reverse seems to have some issues around the mint mark. Is there any way of dettermining the mint based upon the design and details given? It should also be noted that there is an M in the reverse field next to the soldier stabbing the fallen horseman.

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Filtering this excel spreadsheet could cut the posibilies down a bit.

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/da...horseman.xls

I've not tried it with your coin so let us know how you get on.
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There are so many variables as you can see if you look at the link bobbyhelmet provided. Just about every mint struck this coin with an "M" in the left field. I think the only mint you can probably rule out would be Constantinople since they used "dot M dot" in the right field. What you need to do is narrow it down using some of the discriminators provided in that link, i.e., horseman's arm bent at elbow, hair style, hoof over, etc. You are best positioned to make these decisions with the coin in hand. If you get stuck, let us know, and we'll give it another go. Good luck

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Try soaking the coin in Hydrogen Peroxide for a day or so.
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Thanks everybody. I'll keep at it and see what I can figure out. As I said, my scans never do coins justice. Aside from the mint mark area, it really has some eye appeal.

echizento- as the guy who came up with the hydrogen peroxide idea, it certainly has been soaking in there. It has been about a week, but i'll let it go longer until I figure this out.
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I would hazard a guess that more soaking will not reveal the mm, but maybe so it won't hurt to give it a go. If I have some time tomorrow I will take your scanned image and magnify it to see if I can find anything useful.

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You can use scanners to take a photo of a coin?
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jwharper- Thanks! I appreciate it! Right now the coin is back in peroxide, but we'll see what happens.

Gil-galad- yep.
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Wow, I didn't know that, nor did I think about it. I'm going to set up my scanner tomorrow and try it.
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Is there any way of dettermining the mint based upon the design and details given?


Its more accurate to decide mint on the design, feildmarks etc but it is possible to make an educated guess using the style of the coin. Best thing to do in these cases is to reduce to possibilities as much as possible using the spreadsheet then you have to start looking (at a lot) of known mint coins.
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I know I'm going out on a limb here, but from the style of the bust... maybe Siscia?
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I do believe it may be Siscia. If you look at the fallen horseman, he is wearing a Phrygian helmet and is reaching backwards. This narrows the field of choices considerably. Having looked at all the possibilities I have narrowed it down to Siscia bust type (I'll admit one could scrutinize all the choices much more in-depth). If I am correct, that leaves approximately 11 possibilities. Out of the eleven, I have narrowed it to five: Siscia RIC VIII 368, 369, 377, 379, and 381. One last discriminator I am looking at is the stance of the Legionnaire, with right leg bent back touching the left leg. The closest to this seems to be RIC 381:

OBV: D N CONSTAN-TIVS P F AVG, pearl-diademed, draped & cuirassed bust right

REV: FEL TEMP-REPARATIO, soldier spearing fallen horseman who is wearing a Phrygian helmet, reaching backwards, M to left, BSISL in ex.

Take a look at all the possibilities I have outlined above and let us know what conclusion you come to.

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JangoFett & jwharper- wow you guys are amazing! Thanks! I greatly appreciate the help.
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