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New Member
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I like to find out what others think about sending in coins for a Crossover higher grade and does it really matter if you send them in their original slab for a Crossover or crack them out and send them in raw. In otherwords when submitting to any of the top 4 grading companies shouldn't a coin be graded on it's own merit and not what grade it has been given already? Not sure how graders at these companies view Crossover slabbed coins. Trying to figure out the best way to do this while giving a coin a better shot at being upgraded or it doesn't really make any difference?
Also does it matter if keeping it in the slab that you're better off sending to the same company again like NGC to NGC or is it better to send like a NCG slab to ICG, etc. I don't know if there is any concrete evidence that the graders at a company are reluctant to regrade a coin higher from their company meaning their company undergraded this coin wrongly the first time around.
Any advice of the above will be appreciated.
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Pillar of the Community
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Welcome to the forum, I am Along time collector , but have never sent any coins of for grading . MAny here I believe would say there are only 3 top TPG"s PCGS, NGC, And ANACS, your 4th is most likely PCI I guess it depends on the coin in hand, I am sure many will be along to give there very well detailed opionon, with lots of Knowledge to back it up I might add . It might take a day or 2 or maybe even a minute or so. But I believe you will get some great info shortly. Enjoy the forum |
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Coins sent to PCGS in their original holders are broken out by professionals before the graders ever see them. To insure that the coin does not receive a LOWER grade and protect against inadvertent damage from shipping or breaking out, I would leave it in the plastic and let them break it out. This applies to PCGS slabs, submitted back to PCGS. If you are looking for a NGC to PCGS crossover, Definitely leave it in the slab, because if it does not cross, you want it back in it;s original holder.
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Rest in Peace
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Ray, welcome to the forum! We're very friendly here and plenty of expertise to be shared.
Crossovers among the three top TPGs (ICG is often considered a fourth) is a gamble at best. It's been my experience that the decision whether to attempt a crossover in its original slab or as a raw coin (in which instance it's no longer a crossover) depends on the coin itself. If it exhibits characteristics that one thinks might genuinely warrant a higher grade, then crack it out. If, on the other hand, it's only a suspicion that it might go to a higher grade, then send it in its original slab so that it least retains its current grade as LaBoz stated. Of course, there's other reasons for wanting a coin in a different slab, e.g., for a registry collection, for market reasons (PCGS consistently brings in more than NGC, at least for "average" coins; with high grade high value coins, it doesn't matter that much), or for consistency within one's own collection
Submission of a slabbed coin to the same grading service is a regrade, not a crossover.
Fred
A couple factors of which one should be cognizant. The current trend of the top TPGs to be ultra-conservative makes an upgrade (crossover or regrade) highly unlikely. Thousands keep trying, however, by playing the crackout game. And a coin submitted for crossover from one of the hundreds of alphabet boiler room slabbers (e.g., NNC, CCGS, PCI, NTC, ANI, PGS, yadda yadda) could be detrimental to a coin's health and grade (the top TPGs get laughing hysterically when one of these come in). It's best if these are cracked out and treated as raw coins to avoid negatively influencing the graders.
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Thanks for all the replys. I was just trying to see if graders at a company would be more influenced by looking at a coin already graded in a slab than a fresh raw coin. Like you say it doesn't matter when sending PCGS to PCGS cause they are cracked out first. But when sending a slabbed coin to a different company where they can see the original grade I wonder if they get influenced by that and are always skeptical or should I say scared of upgrading a coin. And by sending it raw could be risky cause why you think this coin should be upgraded it could come back downgraded in a new slab. Has anyone sent in PCGS or NGC slabbed coins to companies like ANACS or ICG for a crossover or even vice a versa?
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Pillar of the Community
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My understanding is that graders do NOT see the previous grade. The label is covered during the process.
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United States
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Yes I read this for ANACS covering the grade before it get's to graders. But not for NGC or ICG. And as was posted for PCGS they are supposedly crack out before graders can touch them that is of course if it was originally a PCGS slab. But how to they handle other slabbed coins? And even if all companies somehow cover the grades of course any grader would know at least what kind of company slabbed coin it was in. No maybe they won't know the grade but since grading is such a subjective opinion and not an exact science anything can sway ones judgement. I guess the only way to test any theories which cost much money is send it coins slabbed for crossover, resend them in again raw, trying switching companies from one to another, etc. I was just curious on all of this and maybe some long time collector can give their past experiences in sending in either regrades, crossovers or resubmitting raw coins again?
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