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 Posted 11/09/2011  3:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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But with bright silver coins, do they find them like that, or are they found somewhat dirty and cleaned to be that bright silver color?


99% of the time only gold comes out of the ground in a good state, everything else has at some point been cleaned, occasionally hoards and single coins in good climates and conditions turn up almost ready to sell coins but its rare. Most need a bit of work.

Cleaning is hard, unless you have the patience of a saint you need to accelerate the process but try not to damage the coin. I think sometimes cleaning becomes restoration, not a problem if the seller states this, sadly most dont!

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What would be the climates+conditions that would best preserve an ancient coin?
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Dry sand without organic material preserves best. Wet swampy soil with high levels of non-organic chemical fertilizers corrodes worst. The vast majority of silver coins found have dark gray or black surfaces but can be batch cleaned into bright silver and look good to most collectors. Relatively few ancient collectors avoid cleaned silver coins compared to the serious fault such cleaning is considered with more modern coins. Since there are almost no ancient coins that did not do time buried, concepts like 'original mint bloom' don't exist in the hobby. There may have been coins in a drawer since 1400 AD but not since 400 AD and certainly not since 600 BC. The natural color for 2000 year old silver is black. There are many beautifully toned coins that have been cleaned and retoned but remember that some of our coins have been in collections for 200 years and all those naturally toned silver dollars got that way in less time than that so the question is how the original cleaning was done. People who will not have a cleaned coin should not collect ancients.
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 Posted 11/09/2011  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Dry sand without organic material preserves best
Right--arid desert burials, away from exposed air are the absolute best. The most famous example may be Tutankhamun's burial, where bronze, wood, and even iron survived largely unscathed for 3300+ years! Under those conditions, a silver or perhaps even bronze coin might still show mint surfaces, even after 1000s of years.
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People who will not have a cleaned coin should not collect ancients.


I would go one step further and say that unless you are satisfied with an encrusted lump, ancients must, in general, be cleaned. My only problem is with those who try to deceive by using artificial patina/silvering w/o telling the buyer.
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Must be cleaned! Even most 'uncleaned' ancients have been cleaned. Lumps that have an inch of dirt used to have two inches of dirt. Some people are very skilled at looking, feeling and deciding which lumps contain salvageable coins and which are not worth the effort. They make a few mistakes and a few good coins slip through but coins that can be sorted, have been cleaned enough to be diagnosed. With experience, they can tell which encrustations will leave a rough surface when removed and which will look good.

IMHO the sad part is many new collectors fail to realize that there is a huge difference in cash value between rough and corroded coins and ones with pleasant surfaces. It is fine to love low grade coins but we should not pay close to high grade prices. I agree with jw that it is bad to deceive the buyer but I add one more level of improper deception. That is telling people that a coin has to look that way because it is old when the real reason is that we botched its conservation. Harsh cleaning methods may leave coins that can be identified but not coins that are attractive. The big skill in cleaning is knowing when to stop and sell the coin to someone else who will either love it as it is or reduce its value with poor cleaning.
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