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Pillar of the Community
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If ICCS could be reached by email I would. If I knew they cared enough to make the changes in their population, I probably would.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I have coins in all the leading coin TPG companies in North America hard slabs, soft flips and they all over grade some coins once in a while that's why you are supposed to purchase the coin and not the holders. I also think that that is why they are being offered for sale on ebay and in Auction houses across the country is because they were over graded in the first place. Who ever put them in these sales outlets must have new that they were over graded and are now dumping them on newbies and MS-65 holder buyers through these outlets so I don't really think its all a grading company issue. I also think that some responsibility must be put on the owner of the coin as well for selling something that you know is cleaned or graded wrong in the first place. Grading companies are in it for the business and to make money and they are all the same in that aspect, as new technology comes forward they should adapt to the new tech and get better at grading coins as some have done. So like the old saying goes (buyer be ware) and (buy the coin and not the holder) don't try to blame other things for one's personal buying mistakes if you are human you are going to make mistakes. This is only my opinion and as far as I'm concerned all the TPG companies screw up grades its your own preference which one you want to use I still prefer ICCS for a couple of reasons, they are Canadian, and I am Canadian, its easier for me personally to get them to ICCS for grading then it is to ship them south but I do wish they had hard slabs. I like PCGS as well but it's a big hassle to ship south and the other grading company you mention I would never purchase there graded coins because anything that I have seen graded by them are out to lunch. |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Overgrading doesn't bother me. Holdering damaged coins does. ICCS is the only grading company in North America that will holder severely damaged coins without stating so on the holder. ICG wont. SEGS wont. PCI wont. ANACS wont. NGC wont. PCGS wont. CCCS wont. It is also known that they will do this only for CERTAIN dealers they get high volume business from, who then DUMP these coins on unsuspecting new collectors. We're talking about ICCS potentially engaging in criminal behaviour in collusion with high profile dealers. THAT is the issue. Not overgrading. ICCS engaging in this kind of activity is destroying the hobby. What about the major Canadian auctioneers suspected of switching ICCS coins, since the holders are so easily tampered with? I bet you that's cool too. Good for them  ...give them the keys to the city  Keep blaming the buyer. Yeah, that's a great solution for the hobby  Institutionalized criminality  . That's ok. Everyone does it these days. FK the buyer.  Edited by canadian-varieties
11/30/2011 2:51 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Like I said in the previous post I think all the grading companies make mistakes, why because they are human and I agree they should correct there methods as to cleaned and altered coins. I really don't know about certain people or dealers getting special services you could be right as we are dealing with people and money talks and rules the world. As for coins being switched there again I have know idea of this. All I know is that I have over 400-500 coins graded by ICCS in the last 5-6 years and have never had any coins tampered with or switched on me personally to my knowledge. I am not blaming anyone for the coins they purchase but only to be aware of what you purchase before you purchase it then you won't be so disappointed when it arrives. Knowledge is the big secret so educate your self to the max before you jump in on a sale. I see lots of coins on ebay in ICCS and CCCS packaging that have been cleaned and with no mention of this in the seller description of the coin. Yet the seller is aware of it because the said seller cleaned it before sending it off to be graded and now trying to sell it to an unexpected buyer. Is this not wrong and deceiving and maybe even criminal also like you mention in your previous posts. Here's some pictures of graded coins I got back I guess I'm not one of the people who get specail treatment from ICCS I have more but here's a few sample.    |
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New Member
Canada
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Have a look at this thread from about a year ago. Certified with no comments. This coin is now in the hands of a well known collector, familiar to many here who is known to speak his mind in very direct terms. It was not removed from the original holder. https://goccf.com/t/71089 |
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Valued Member
Canada
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I am a little bit naive to coin cleaning and I havn't bothered to do any cleaning.
But, what do you mean by dipping? How are coins actually cleaned? Are they dipped in a solution and that's it, or do you have to rub them with a solution and a fine cloth? I have no idea what the term dipping means.
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Valued Member
Canada
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Wow I have never seen such a rabid hate on for a grading service, Danlos! Slow down and take a valium bud! What it really comes down to is this. DO NOT buy any holder! Learn how to grade to current standards and you will win big time! Keep raggin' on and oh well.............you reap what you sow!
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Valued Member
Canada
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Danloss, ICCS is really easy to reach on any business day, area code 416-488-8620 Scott or Brian would be happy to take your old holders off of you. Maybe you should get a deal on the PCGS newfies you are trying to sell and get them properly cross graded! MY MY MY those alluded to in an earlier post are blooming awful! Overgraded by a country mile. I specialize in NFLD coins and those are you G L Y .
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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The only time I've ever bought an ICCS coin was for a high-priced item and I examined the coin for probably 15 minutes until I was certain of my findings. I actually agreed with the grade given, plus I asked the dealer a lot of questions and he was able to answer every one of them. My reason for buying it was in the resale value - it would seem very shoddy to put the coin in a flip.
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Valued Member
Canada
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The only reasons any one who is fairly knowledgeable about coins should ever buy a TPG coin are as follows................makes one feel at ease about the coin being genuine, also makes the coin easier for a resale to someone else. The numbers on the coin as to grade are fairly unimportant. Learn to grade for yourself, learn to recognize improper cleaning, learn to identify doctored coins and you are going to do well. Like any other type of education numismatics is NOT cheap! We all make mistakes and bad purchases once in awhile. The important part is the knowledge gained from those mistakes so they do not happen again. |
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Valued Member
Canada
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Stevex the rare date Newf you are referring to was probably in an old leather pouch or purse at one time and was cleaned to remove enviro damage in my opinion. This effect is quite common on lightly circed silver coins. This is still a very rare coin even though it is in an overgraded PCGS holder!
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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The coins that I have submitted to ICCS or any other TPG coin I have that are labeled cleaned, Harshly cleaned, polished, PCV contamination, varnished I keep them all for my learning and education as to what to look for so I don't buy to many more in these in this condition. But its very hard to tell some from pictures I would rather have the coin in hand. |
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Pillar of the Community
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Pillar of the Community
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How many ICCS coins have you submitted to PCGS for cross grading?
Because that will give you all the answers you need to know.
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Posted 11/30/2011 12:52 pm
