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New Member
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Have a look at this thread from about a year ago. Certified with no comments. This coin is now in the hands of a well known collector, familiar to many here who is known to speak his mind in very direct terms. It was not removed from the original holder. https://goccf.com/t/71089 |
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Valued Member
Canada
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I am a little bit naive to coin cleaning and I havn't bothered to do any cleaning.
But, what do you mean by dipping? How are coins actually cleaned? Are they dipped in a solution and that's it, or do you have to rub them with a solution and a fine cloth? I have no idea what the term dipping means.
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Valued Member
Canada
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Wow I have never seen such a rabid hate on for a grading service, Danlos! Slow down and take a valium bud! What it really comes down to is this. DO NOT buy any holder! Learn how to grade to current standards and you will win big time! Keep raggin' on and oh well.............you reap what you sow!
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Valued Member
Canada
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Danloss, ICCS is really easy to reach on any business day, area code 416-488-8620 Scott or Brian would be happy to take your old holders off of you. Maybe you should get a deal on the PCGS newfies you are trying to sell and get them properly cross graded! MY MY MY those alluded to in an earlier post are blooming awful! Overgraded by a country mile. I specialize in NFLD coins and those are you G L Y .
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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The only time I've ever bought an ICCS coin was for a high-priced item and I examined the coin for probably 15 minutes until I was certain of my findings. I actually agreed with the grade given, plus I asked the dealer a lot of questions and he was able to answer every one of them. My reason for buying it was in the resale value - it would seem very shoddy to put the coin in a flip.
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Valued Member
Canada
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The only reasons any one who is fairly knowledgeable about coins should ever buy a TPG coin are as follows................makes one feel at ease about the coin being genuine, also makes the coin easier for a resale to someone else. The numbers on the coin as to grade are fairly unimportant. Learn to grade for yourself, learn to recognize improper cleaning, learn to identify doctored coins and you are going to do well. Like any other type of education numismatics is NOT cheap! We all make mistakes and bad purchases once in awhile. The important part is the knowledge gained from those mistakes so they do not happen again. |
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Valued Member
Canada
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Stevex the rare date Newf you are referring to was probably in an old leather pouch or purse at one time and was cleaned to remove enviro damage in my opinion. This effect is quite common on lightly circed silver coins. This is still a very rare coin even though it is in an overgraded PCGS holder!
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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The coins that I have submitted to ICCS or any other TPG coin I have that are labeled cleaned, Harshly cleaned, polished, PCV contamination, varnished I keep them all for my learning and education as to what to look for so I don't buy to many more in these in this condition. But its very hard to tell some from pictures I would rather have the coin in hand. |
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How many ICCS coins have you submitted to PCGS for cross grading?
Because that will give you all the answers you need to know.
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 Canada
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I have been refraining from commenting, because there are several key issues here lumped into a single thread. Unless you only collect mint state gems, one has to accept that every coin is damaged in one form or another. Erosion of a coin's devices and lustre is damage - where do you draw the line between what is acceptable, and what is not? If you are lucky enough to find an 1859 brass cent, or a 1969 large date 10-cent, would you care if there was a scratch on it? Or if the coin had been lightly cleaned? Would you want that coin in a TPG for any number reasons? Remember, at the end of it all, you merely have another's opinion. Just because you pay for that opinion, does not always mean it is right. What really counts, when it comes to our coins, is our own net opinion. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Canada
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All very true... if ICCS stuck to "technical grading" or "details grading" ONLY, and was recognized as a partial grading service only...that'd be fine...they do a decent job of that. But ICCS does put "cleaned", "harshly cleaned", "polished", "scratched"..etc..on their flips. So its not "technical grading only". And in assessing coin damage, ICCS is the worst TPG in North America. Or put in another way, it has the loosest standards of any TPG, including less respected ones like ICG, ANACS. This is the point I'm making. Tell me SPP...what's worse, getting a coin labeled EF40 that's really VF30? Or getting a coin labeled VF30 that's actually a harshly cleaned damaged VF30? What reduces the value of a coin more? Many collectors consider such damaged coins - valueless. You may not run across this in the MS64-MS65 world... If ICCS regularly passes coins that are considered damaged by ALL US TPGs (PCGS, NGC, ANACS, ICG)...how can it possibly be called "the standard of Canadian coin grading", "the most respected coin grading service in Canada", etc... I find a lot of resistance from collectors and I think it's due to fear. The fear that their collections may be filled with damaged coins they're unaware of. I was shocked just how many ICCS coins came back body-bagged from PCGS...and some coins I really wouldn't have suspected...lesson learned Edited by canadian-varieties
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Tell me SPP...what's worse, getting a coin labeled EF40 that's really VF30? Or getting a coin labeled VF30 that's actually a harshly cleaned damaged VF30? I cannot answer that question, because I don't look at the label when I buy a coin. I trust my eyes and knowledge, and buy what appeals to me. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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 never mind the number on the package, let your own eyes be the judge. |
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