Oppinions Please

ICG is very very lax on moderns and it seems they have an abundance of 70's coming from there that would never make a 68 at the big 3 so ICG is definately not advised for modern coins

I have no intent of demeaning ICG; they have their quirks, just like NHC and PCGS, but there's no question that they are doing their level best to provide quality, honest service.

The important point is, in this day and age, PF/MS70 is no longer the Holy Grail that it once was. Indeed, it's a realistic goal for US Proof mintages. Technology and procedure have combined to create a product which is as technically superior as any coinage has ever been. PF69 is almost a consolation grade these days, and I know very few people who will admit even owning PF67-68 ASE'S of recent mintage.

Of course, I still think NGC hands out 70's like Halloween candy, but that's another thread entirely.

Edit: By the way, cuedude, are you a pool shooter or is your nick significant for another reason?