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 Posted 11/25/2011  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gil-galad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is what it looks like after a soak in HP. I'm wondering if I should clean it more with olive oil?

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 Posted 11/25/2011  7:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gil-galad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's kind of strange with the obverse. That black/greenish doesn't look quite that way in hand.
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Looking at your images, I would say your coin is a Constans. In the obverse legend you can plainly see "pfavg' with no lettering prior on that side of the coin. And there is not enough space on the left side for "CONSTANTIVS". Do you see that way?
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 Posted 11/25/2011  7:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gil-galad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, I came to the same conclusion that it's a Constans, is what I named the image as well.

Infact, it says CONSTAN with no more room until it runs into the design.

I still haven't found a match for it yet.
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I can't see what may be in exergue, but my guess would be RIC VIII 100 or 101. If there is evidence of a palm branch/leaf between the two victories, that could change the attribution to something like RIC VIII 105
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What's in the exergue is SMTS? last letter I don't know what it is. The SMTS? can barely be made out because of the chip in the coin. Also, there is no evidence of a palm branch/leaf between the two victories.

I think you're right and this is the closest I've seen. Thanks a lot!

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RIC 101 (VIII, Thessalonica), LRBC 861 AE4 Obv: CONSTANSPFAVG - Diademed (rosettes), draped and cuirassed bust right.
Rev: VICTORIAEDDAVGGQNN Exe: •/SMTS - Two Victories standing, facing each other, each holding a wreath and palm.

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 Posted 11/25/2011  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gil-galad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the original uncleaned version.

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SM sacra moneta TS Thessalonica delta workshop 4 - rasiel's image is SMTSB or workshop 2

By chance mine is SMTSgamma or workshop 3

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I don't own the Constans version of this coin, but I do have the Constantius II coin: RIC VIII 99

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Thanks for telling me what that means. Sacra moneta is apparently "sacred money".

The coin came in a 2x2 with a small card that says the size of the coin and unattributed. But now I'm wondering how I should format the information on that small card.
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I have seen that Constantius II version that is your coin while I was searching for mine.
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I just received the last two of the three in the mail today. I just scanned both of them and here are the scans.

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I'm going to be attributing them now. The first one I'm cleaning it with peroxide, but I'm not sure if I like the results of it right now.

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The first coin, I'm having difficulties reading the legend on both sides. But I think it's a Valens.

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RIC 7b,ii

Valens AE3. 364-367 AD. D N VALENS P F AVG, diademed, draped & cuirassed bust right / SECVRITAS REIPVBLICAE, Victory advancing left, holding wreath & palm, •ASISC in ex. Cohen 37.

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I believe that the second one is Constantine I

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RIC VII 153

Constantine AE3. CONSTANTINVS AVG, diademed head right / PROVIDENTIAE AVGG, campgate with two turrets and star above, dot to right, SMTSA (or B, G, D, e) in ex. RIC VII 153 of Thessalonica, Cohen 454.

There are a few things that throw me off about this coin. There are a few differences such as the star on the reverse between the two turrets being higher than the photo of this ID.

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 Posted 11/30/2011  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was confused at first but then worked out the blue background pics must be from Wildwinds or some similar resource.


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The first coin, I'm having difficulties reading the legend on both sides. But I think it's a Valens.


Correct - it is Valens and your attribution is also correct.


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I believe that the second one is Constantine I


Again correct description-wise but I think your RIC number should be RIC VII Thessalonica 154. 153 is the 'laureate' version where I think your coin is the 'rosette-diadem' type. Its sometimes hard to tell but your coin shows the two clear bands that would indicate a diadem.


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There are a few differences such as the star on the reverse between the two turrets being higher than the photo of this ID


You will find a number of small differences in the coins of this RIC number, indeed most individual RIC numbers, the stars and dots etc signify an 'issue' but as long as these details are present individual dies styles can vary quite a bit but still be part of this 'issue'.
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