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First Roman Purchase

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 Posted 11/30/2011  3:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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background pics must be from Wildwinds


I wasn't 100% sure about the laureate / diademed issue so had a quick look on Wildwinds, unfortunately they have mis-described one of the two 153 coins that they have on there. 153, according to RIC can only be laureate but they have a coin attributed to this number but described as 'diademed'!

I know a lot of people like using Wildwinds but I find it littered with errors, too many errors to the point where I ask myself is no information better than incorrect information! If people often wonder why so many coins on ebay are mis-attributed I suggest this site is the reason.

Back to your coin, let a few others chime in with if they think its laureate (153) or diademed (154) before making a final decision. Some might think its 'splitting hairs' but its always nice to 100% ID a coin.
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Thank you so much for the information. And sorry about the confusion. I will state where the photo came from the next time.

Yes, I noticed some inaccurate listings as well. I ran across one that had the same exact description (two in a row) but they were obviously different coins.

It looks diademed to me but perhaps I am wrong. I am new to this. lol

There are three lines, the bottom and top are more bold and the line in the middle is a bit faint.

Wildwinds photo:

RIC VII 154

First-Roman-Purchase


I don't think it's 154 because in 154 there are what looks to be steps at the bottom of the camp gate.

Also, with my coin in hand the crown or whatever you want to call it doesn't look like a rosette-diadem.

I thought that a laureate has leaves and such for a crown.

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 Posted 11/30/2011  4:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I don't think it's 154 because in 154 there are what looks to be steps at the bottom of the camp gate


Correct for the coin shown above but 154 (SMTSA) comes in 3 slightly different varieties:

1. 6 to 8 layers
2. 6 to 8 layers, dots in arches in top layer
3. 6 to 8 layers, dots in arches in top layer, with base

The coin pictured on WW is No.3, your coin could be No.1.

While I would probably argue your coin was diademed rather than laureate I would hesitate to say it was rosette-diademed. In deciding between 153 and 154 it must be laureate or rosette-diademed. 100% IDing these can often be infuriating and sometimes not possible at all due to issues like this!


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I thought that a laureate has leaves and such for a crown


Correct.
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As I said earlier about cleaning one of the coins. I'm not sure if I like the results as it had unintended results. It removed the black patina from the coin and left it in patches that kind of makes it look ugly. I'm definitely going to be more careful about cleaning these coins from now on. The main reason why I cleaned it is because I wanted to be able to read the legends better and reveal more detail.

First-Roman-Purchase

Now that I think about it, I would rather have it black again. But I would settle for all the black patches removed. Except that I haven't been able to get them off without damaging the coin. Don't want to do that.
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Still trying to get a real ID on the Constantine I campgate coin. I realize that a lot of ancient coins can be different because of the different dies but this coin I have is not matching up exactly to any reference that I have access to. But for now, I will use RIC VII 154.

When I first saw this coin and then when I looked it up I got a rather different impression. It didn't seem like to me that calling it a campgate was quite right. That "campgate" seems like a tower to me and on top are beacons and the star provides light. Back in the ancient days, a lot of towers were square instead of round. Not sure how towers were in Rome though. One article I read called it a watch tower.

I didn't really want to say anything at first because I heard there has been a lot of debate about this coin.

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