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...and I'm happily surprised by how good it is for picturing coins. I have a decent Panasonic point and shoot camera but I struggle to get consistent results with it and the colours it captures are rarely true to real life. Its so inconsistent I've not even been photographing my coins when I catalogue them.

The scanner has to be almost 10 years old but took the following with no tweeking and testing and a 10 second 'set-up'. It was at 400dpi and I can go to 2400dpi if I want to fill my HD up before the weekend is over

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The most impressive thing to me is the colours are perfect and exactly what they look like in hand.


Has anyone else given up a good camera for an ancient scanner?
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Whoops - I'm so used to only posting in the ancients section I didn't even think when posting this - apologies and if a mod wants to move it to a more appropriate area its fine by me.
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Good images. I will have to try my scanner to see what I get.

P.S. I really like the first Diocletian and the second Mazimianus
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Not sure how this will work but the following is a 2400dpi scan at 25% zoom. Again the colours are spot on and its still pretty sharp.

Cheers JW - Coins 2 and 4 are invasion coins, coin 6 is Severus II, little known but his coins are not too uncommon. Now we've discussed the coins I guess the thread is OK to stay

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I was quite surprised about scanning coins as well. When someone said he scanned the coins, I was like really, you can do that? lol

And then I set up my very rarely used all in one printer/scanner/fax/media card reader and started using the scanner. It's so much better than the setup I was using with my webcam.
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I tried my scanner with the only Severus II coin I own and it turned out awful. I guess I'll stick to my camera.

BTW, here is the my Severus II. I'm not sure about them being common. If I could find a better one at a decent price, I would.

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Even though a scanner was better than the setup I had with my webcam. Sometimes the coins look right on and sometimes they don't. As I explained in a earlier post with the Constans coin I purchased from FORVM.
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Severus II. I'm not sure about them being common


Just looked at the BINs on ebay - your right, was surprised by the prices, values are definitely on the increase, or at least the prices people are trying to charge are.

I got mine for £2.25
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I use the 2x2 size setting with my ancient $10 Epson scanner, and it gives me the "perfect" size for a coin. Sometimes I have to tweak the color, contrast, and light balances to produce a viewable coin - as with my avatar coin, for example. I agree - don't spend a lot of $ for a new scanner when an old one will do the job just fine. Software is key, however - make sure you get the install CD with it, or at least can download the software.
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I've read a lot about coin photography and a little about coin scanning. I think that as far as scanning goes, the 'ancient' scanners are more likely to do a better job than the newer ones. Maybe the newer ones have been optimized to have as little hardware as necessary to scan a sheet of paper, I don't know. But my impression from lots of reading is that older scanners are better. Another benefit for numismatists is that a lot of the newer scanners won't allow you to scan paper money, while the older ones will. Years ago I used to use a clunky, heavy epson scanner and was happy with it. The 2-3 I've tried since then I've been disappointed with...


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I noted several years ago that scanners that were very thin tended to do a poor job with coins while heavier, thick bodied scanners did better. I have no experience with the current fad of all in one scanner/copier/fax units. Scanners that do poorly seem to have no depth of field making the small difference between the parts of the coin touching the glass and the recesses significant while all parts were in focus on the thick scanners.

The problem with scanners s that you have little control with the lighting when it is desirable to change it for a specific coin. It does sometimes help to scan the coin upside down and rotate the image in software. My current (but several years old Canon scanner) benefits from this. It has to do with the relative position of the pickup and light source which is different with each model. How your coins compare 'in hand' to on the image depaends a lot on what light you use to view the coins 'in hand'. I find I enjoy coins more if I take the time and trouble to use a good light for viewing rather than just accepting whatever light happens to be on at the moment. If I buy a coin from you, it may not look exactly the same at my house as it did at yours.

Those using a scanner might also want to try scanning with the lid open and all lights out in the room. That gives a black background. My page on scanning dates to 1997 and may not have much value anymore. I almost never scan anymore because I value being able to adjust light angles and qualities so I have not kept up with the subject. Below is one of the better direct scans I did back in the day. It is a bronze of Septimius Severus from Caesarea.
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Software is key, however - make sure you get the install CD with it, or at least can download the software


Agree with this - Windows Vista and Photo Gallery had a minor melt-down when I tried to use the generic software. I was able to get a copy of the original software 'PaperPort' but I also downloaded ' Irfanview' which works alongside the original quite nicely.


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the 'ancient' scanners are more likely to do a better job than the newer ones


Interesting, and handy as they can be picked up for pennies!


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Those using a scanner might also want to try scanning with the lid open and all lights out in the room


Will try this when I get the chance - I prefer black backgrounds.
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I don't collect ancients but those sure are nice looking coins and a great image from a scanner.

I have heard that scanners do a better job on circulated and/or toned coins than coins with a lot of luster as the luster gets lost in scan process. But it seems like this makes ancients a good candidate for scans as your images show.
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