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Bronze Disease - Any Cure?

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Can this be removed at all, as it pertains to ancients without damage to the coin? That's my question. Thanks.
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The best thing to do is pick at the BD carefully trying to remove the spot thats about all the advise I can give you. You should put some Reno wax on it to cover the metal from the environment after the BD has been removed too.
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What do I pick it with? Where can I get Reno wax?
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I use dental picks I bought on ebay be careful to only apply pressure downward not to scratch and you can buy rennaisance wax online here was what I found with a quick search- http://www.google.com/products/cata...=0CGYQ8wIwAA
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Here's a link about Bronze Disease that might be of help.

http://www.crescentcitycoinclub.org...0Disease.pdf

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Read JW's link. There are those of us who disagree with the pick and wax technique but reading the link will cover that. BD is a lot like human cancer. Sometimes you get a clean bill of health from a doctor one day and have it come back the next. You need to watch over survivors for the rest of their lives.
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Here is another site to check out. http://www.classicalcoins.com/bronze_disease.html

I've used the heat method with good results.
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echizento, what is the heat method?
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The way I remove lumps of verdigris from an ancient coin is to use a blunt needle, and carefully place on the highest point of the verdigris lump, then apply enough pressure for the lump to break apart. Sometimes, even small particles will fly off. LOTS of patience and time is needed. Oh, yes! And a good jeweler's loupe.

Unfortunately, it has always been my experience that when the verdigris has been removed, I have found that the verdigris has eaten it's way into the surface, to leave a pitted scar behind, which cannot be fixed. Peversely, this is the reason for my justification for using a needle. The surface of the coin under the verdigris is already damaged, anyway. Gently rub with a good quality olive oil when finished.

NEVER scratch the coin with the needle. Even the tiniest of scratch marks will be obvious.

Some ancient coins have actually had their eye appeal improved where the coin has an a light green and even verdigris cast over it. Never remove this. Renwax should help to stabilise the surface from further damage from verdigris attack.
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Placing the coin in an oven of 250 degrees for about 20 minutes than cover the coin in an air tight container until it cools. I place the coin on a small plate and cover it with a glass jar.
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Cookie sheet okay?
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Sure, as long as your able to make a seal so the moisture doesn't get sucked back into the coin as it cools.
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I've bought quite a few coins recently that turned out to have BD, unfortunate but guess its inevitable with the climate in the UK and most of Europe.

I don't know if it can ever be completely stopped but do think the progress can be slowed to the point where we'll all be dead before any further actions are needed.

I personally still don't think its fully understood but moisture (perhaps not a cause) is certainly a catalyst and needs to be addressed.

I soak the coin in distilled or de-ionised water, any pure water will do, the purer the better. Essentially you are trying to dilute and draw out of the coin the minerals that started the process off. If the liquid you are using has minerals in it (tap water) you could make the coin worse.

I also use dental tools (£5 from ebay) to gently pick away at the affected areas on the coins surface, its a slow process and its best to do it for an hour or so then pop the coin back into the distilled water for 24 hours and keep repeating.

Every time you take the coin out you will see new areas that need attention - keep going till all of these areas are gone. Try to use downward pressure on the BD but if this does not work use small circular scrapping motions and keep the coin wet, not sure why but this seems to minimise scratches. Sometimes its easy to remove but other times very difficult.

Some people then soak the coins for months changing the water regularly - I guess every coin will be different but not sure how you can make this decision, I know some people PH test the water but this seems a bit over the top to me.

Once I'm done soaking I also pop them in the oven and Ren wax them while still hot, this prevents the moisture from getting straight back into the coin and restarting the whole process. Like most people I also keep Silica gel in my coin box.

Its something that has worked well for me so far but who knows what the coins will be like in 10 years time. Collectors are also split on the use of Ren wax, I like it, certainly when a coin needs treating but some of the purists will not buy a coin that has had it applied. I guess its personal choice, it is not as hard to remove as many people say, at least 90% of it isn't. I don't intend to resell the coins I wax so its irrelevant to me and an issue easier to just ignore.

Sometimes you have to be hard with the coin and 'damage' it slightly to clear all of the BD, difficult but better than just leaving the coin to slowly crumble away. Here is a thread with a coin that I cleaned of BD but had to strip it back to the metal in places.

www.coincommunity.com/forum/...PIC_ID=100564
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What I have read supports all of the above. I have a product called Gringgott's Bronze Disease Killer (Just in case). Have not used the product but the reviews said that it works to neutralize the problem. I ordered mine through http://www.nobleromancoins.com.
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