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Circulated Gold Premiums Hit Zero.

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 Posted 11/30/2011  9:40 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mariospaghetti to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all, just got this little bit in my e-mail and wanted to share it with those that haven't read this article yet. Doesn't look good when the mention melting old and new gold coins.

http://www.numismaster.com/ta/numis...id=233062799

I guess that means we should jump on some of the older gold coins before the melt them away.
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 Posted 11/30/2011  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add harrison2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I'd love to see some zero premium classic gold. So far, no dice.
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 Posted 12/01/2011  08:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Most of these coins are probably being resold for investment purposes and not melted.
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 Posted 12/01/2011  09:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add barryg to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, premiums certainly weren't at zero a month or so ago when I decided to buy gold coins for my 7070 album! Gold was at $1600/ounce and I ended up paying around $1800 for a $20 St. Gaudens in AU condition. Right now, in fact, APMEX is selling them for $1,932.06 (bank wire price), which is still a significant premium considering how gold is currently at $1746 and the St. Gaudens doesn't even have a full ounce of gold.

Of course, maybe APMEX just is more expensive than most...
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 Posted 12/01/2011  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Any PM coin's value is based on multiple inputs:
  • Face value
  • Collector value
  • Investment demand
  • Metal value


The value is not the sum of these, but typically the "high bidder" among them.

Look at a common date $20.

Face value: $20 - passed in 1933.

Collector value: face to slight premium over metal value.
Let's be realistic, there aren't many people collecting gold $20, especially by date. Those who are have already got the common date. After a run-up in metal value, the collector value disappears until new collectors slowly come into the market. Just like in the article.

Investment demand: All investors do is temporarily hold coins away from collectors. They can cause price spikes and prevent serious bottoms, but ultimately, they have to sell to collectors or for metal value.

Metal value: This is the key value component right now. Scrap buyers don't care what it looks like, whose holder it's in, etc. They're buying gold, not collectables. No surprise that dealers are selling for scrap, because the other components of value aren't willing to pay the market price.
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 Posted 12/01/2011  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mariospaghetti to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very well put Biggfredd,

So there might be deals out there if one has the time to try and track them down. I have never looked on e-bay for gold coins because I can't afford them. So I guess I am going to have to take a look and see. I wouldn't buy uncertified gold there too risks I think.
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Most of these coins are probably being resold for investment purposes and not melted.

I wonder how many of the coins that are being melted down are culls.
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Mostly. scratches, polished, ex-jewelry, but there areplently of lower grade ms slabs that really aren't worth the hassle of trying to retail.
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