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Need Help Identifying Two Old Greek Coins

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 Posted 12/15/2011  11:12 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add avaldivia to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I need help discovering the origin and value of these two coins. I suspect them to be Greek, but I could be wrong obviously. Any information you may be able to provide would be appreciated. The bottom coin is in fairly bad shape, so it will probably be more difficult to determine. Please let me know what you think.

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 Posted 12/16/2011  06:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add countryboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I find this site is quite useful in identifieing coins .http://(131231) Not Allowed - Auto-Removed /Inst-ID/page1.html
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 Posted 12/16/2011  06:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Since ancient coins did not have raised "rims" like modern coins, the first is most definitely a replica, probably cast. I don't recognize the second coin, but hope someone here does.

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 Posted 12/16/2011  07:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry to be the bearers of bad news, but yes, both of your coins are "tourist copies" of genuine coins.

Yep, the top coin is a brass replica of a silver dekadrachm of Syracuse - probably one of the most commonly counterfeited ancient coins out there. Do a forum search for "Syracuse dekadrachm" and you'll find many, many threads with similar coins, like this one.

For the bottom coin, rotate the bottom pic 90 degrees anticlockwise and you'll see the seated figure on the reverse, resembling the seated Britannia on modern British coins. Rotate it another 90 degrees and the sideways Greek writing will be right-way-up. The top word is "Basileos" - meaning "king" - and the bottom word is the king's name, "Lysimachus". There was only one "King Lysimachus", the first king of Thrace, but unfortunately, the only coins of Lysimachus with this design are gold and silver coins - see the Wildwinds page for this ruler for numerous examples - meaning that this coin, too, is a reproduction.
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 Posted 12/16/2011  07:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I saw these last night just before retiring to bed and I thought they were fakes from first site. I don't collect these coins so I decided not to chime in. But if SAP says they are fakes you can take that to the bank. Sorry my friend.
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 Posted 12/16/2011  1:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add avaldivia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you gentlemen. You have been most helpful!
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 Posted 08/23/2015  3:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eurkas to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
is this also fake

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 Posted 08/23/2015  4:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidUK to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks to be, like DV says they didn't have raised rims on ancient coins. This one looks just as bad as the first coin does.
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 Posted 08/24/2015  12:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yes.
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Yes, a common forgery of the Syracuse dekadrachma.

I feel it is worth mentioning that some ancients did get raised rims. Coins struck with the 'incuse' reverse (these are all greek and silver) often appear to have 'raised rims' and the rarer roman contortionate sestertii have raised rims which were specifically created by hammering the edge of a coin, supposedly to give as a gift on new years.
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 Posted 08/24/2015  2:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Strange to see this thread again after almost 5 years. While the second coin is genuine. The first is a fake and a bad one at that.
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