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2004 Cent Find

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 Posted 12/21/2011  3:22 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Cubro99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
It seems as if a clash has gone rogue, there appears to be a '4' under the queens chin.

http://s989.photobucket.com/albums/...04_RC_2.png#
http://s989.photobucket.com/albums/...004_RC_1.png
http://s989.photobucket.com/albums/...004_RC_3.png

The 4 had been rotated 80 degrees and shifted over.

I had found a site that depicts something similar on a 1963 penny.
http://www.maddieclashes.com/MDC-1c...-01_CA_.html
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 Posted 12/21/2011  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For me anyway I think I would need to see the actual coin. I have a hard time really understanding what is actually going on from the photos.
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 Posted 12/21/2011  4:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cubro99....Smallcentguy is correct...First post a BIGGER picture of the area affected and then another picture of the area zoomed in. This is so we can get a perspective of what is happening and where.
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 Posted 12/21/2011  4:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cubro99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry for the poor presentation, I gave a brief view of the coin and didn't think I had to write a thesis about it.
Subject: a penny
side: Obverse
location: on the field below the Queens chin
Object: presumably a clash mark of the 4 from the reverse

here are some edits of the photos.
http://s989.photobucket.com/albums/...C_3_edit.png
http://s989.photobucket.com/albums/...C_3-Copy.png
it was a quick outline of the feature.

I don't have the greatest camera for this and its really hard to photograph small die clashes.

Wert this is a larger picture.
http://s989.photobucket.com/albums/...nt=RCnot.png
I had already posted two different sized images but the further out the less detail is visible. I have had requests for larger pictures before but there is no point to it if the feature can't be captured.
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 Posted 12/21/2011  5:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I tend to concentrate on things that are a little easier to distinguish. That one is a little subtle for me. If when you rotate the four it could end up in that position, then it is possible. On the other hand, if that was the explanation, then we would presumably know about some 80 degree rotated 2004 cents out there. I haven't seen any yet.....
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 Posted 12/21/2011  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cubro99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes it is very faint, I used a 10x lens to spot it but the camera does not pick up depth. I found many normal die clashes with this portrait which can be hard to photograph as well and the markings on this 2004 are just like a clash mark.
A 80 degree rotated 2004 is not a necessity the dies could have been realigned automatically or manually after the clash event.
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 Posted 12/21/2011  6:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you want to photograph a die clash nicely, set your camera to manual under reflected light and allow a thirty-sixty second exposure.
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 Posted 12/22/2011  01:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cubro99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
oooor I can bust out 15K on some electron microscope and some expensive topographical software. I used the term camera loosely, I'm using a cheap $50 200X USB microscope. I'm doing the best I can with it and I'm sorry that it offends you so much.
Other than the poor images, I'm asking is the triangular feature in the position I pointed out remotely resemble an inverted 4.


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 Posted 12/22/2011  08:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
*Shrugs*

No one is offended, I was just pointing out an easy "how to" get a good image we could diagnose with pretty much any mainstream used digital camera that had manual settings.

Ask away, maybe someone can see what's going on there.
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 Posted 12/22/2011  12:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coiladdict to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

It is a little frustrating at times to bring out the detail of a coin with a scanner...camera...or microscope. I'm still learning myself.

Just wanted to say "thanks" to ugly for pointing out the camera settings.
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