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 Posted 12/26/2011  10:13 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ship of fools to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Okay why is this nickle worth as much as they are asking or is this one of those deals that you have to scratch your head over.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1951-ICCS-S...em1e6917fc7b
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 Posted 12/26/2011  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That coin was struck in nickel for circulation.

The coin you showed is Chrome plated steel and only three are known.

What is it worth? I don't know.
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 Posted 12/26/2011  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ship of fools to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I completely missed that part so it looks as if I need to do some more research into differnt metals they used for some coins, thanks for the info.ship
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 Posted 12/26/2011  1:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey Ugly...How can one tell the difference between "chrome" and "nickel" plated....I have a bunch of them I don't know what to look for...?
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 Posted 12/26/2011  2:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure what you are asking, the five cent commemorative piece with the picture of the refinery on front was only struck in pure nickel with the exception of the SPECIMEN pieces noted above of which only three are known and I'm willing to bet that's pretty much it as far as those go since they are Specimens.

1951 also had steel five cent pieces (plated with nickel then chrome) that used the regular reverse and had two different obverse designs (with the high relief being very scarce).

The chromium plated pieces had all kinds of plating errors just like todays coins. That's why when I see a five cent piece missing the chrome plating I don't really get all excited to shell out a bunch of money.

How to tell them apart in 1951? Nickel pieces had the refinery, steel pieces had the beaver.
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 Posted 12/26/2011  2:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The easy way to sort them would be to run a magnet over them.
The one's that stick will be steel, Nickle is non magnetic.
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 Posted 12/26/2011  3:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The easy way to sort them would be to run a magnet over them.
Do not try this at home.Nickel,when processed as used in Canadian coins,is quite magnetic
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 Posted 12/26/2011  4:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have been informed that Canadian nickle is magnetic so please don't try the magnet trick on these coins to avoid demaging them.
All the Aussie coins in cu/nic are non magnetic
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 Posted 12/26/2011  4:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
DBM is totally correct => coins made out of nickel are very magnetic (example => go get a magnet from your fridge and a quarter that was minted between 1969 and 1999 => sproing!)

The element nickel itself is attracted to a magnet, but oddly when nickel is used to make stainless steel, the nickel turns the alloy non-magnetic (weird, eh?) ... oh, and chromium is also added when making stainless steel => the chromium gives the stainless steel its corrosion resistance (the nickel is merely used to strengthen the oxide layer) ... I work at a nickel mine which has a smelter and a nickel refinery (wow, it finally paid-off!)


Anyway => the chrome plated steel nickel and the nickel made of nickel will both be attracted to a magnet ... and sadly, according to the Charlton catalogue, they both weigh 4.54 grams!

=> that certainly makes it a bit more difficult (hmmm?)
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 Posted 12/26/2011  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually Steve that's not the case with stainless steel either; if the stainless becomes work hardened, it becomes magnetic. Raw nickel is reasonably and measurably magnetic, once you hit it with a set of dies at pressure, it's strongly magnetic.

If you want to test out the stainless steel thing, run a magnet down the side of a SS beer keg and notice all the rolled edges are magnetic and flat areas aren't (or not strong enough to make your magnet stick). Anyplace the SS is bent or hammered, it's magnetic.

Different alloys of SS are affected to different degrees, but this works for all the common versions.

Cupro Nickel alloys are also magnetic, just not strongly enough to be detectable with a standard magnet but I assure you, there are clustering events of the Ni within the alloys that make this so. Mathematical chance and all that good stuff.
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 Posted 12/26/2011  5:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey Ugly, nobody ever said that I was "good" at my job ...


=> thanks for keeping me honest



Ummmm, how 'bout wooden nickels => now those are non-magnetic, right?
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Ummmm, how 'bout wooden nickels => now those are non-magnetic, right?




You are absolutely, 1 Billion per cent correct.

If you ever get a shot at an honestly acquired post refining nickel slug/chunklet/piece/unit or whatever they may term it, I'd be quite willing to trade!

I promise not to eat it and I haven't made a nickel at home for almost twenty years so I won't be doing that either.
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 Posted 12/26/2011  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
gees guys

So many answers, I am not father ahead with my question.....
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 Posted 12/26/2011  10:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yah wert, I think it would be very difficult to tell the difference between the two? => they're both magnetic, they both weigh the same (well actually, that little newspaper-blurb stated that the chrome plated steel nickel actually weighs 4.6 grams, rather than 4.54 grams (but that's pretty finnicky stuff, eh?)) ...

=> ummm, "maybe" there has been some official documentation that has followed the "3" known specimen coins around since 1951?



But in reality, who cares => I don't have one!


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 Posted 12/26/2011  11:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Click here for more info on the plated steel 5cents of the 40's and 50's
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 Posted 12/26/2011  11:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would really want that coin independently assessed as being genuine before lodging MY bid!

I have a good 'ole garden variety 1951 nickel Nickel.
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