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Rochelle Salt Results

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Its been one of those weeks, but I was able to finish cleaning the 32 'crusties' I received about a week ago. But I need to do the disclaimers first before we get into the results.

1. You know I just started this hobby less than a month ago, so everything below is strictly experimental and I'm not claiming anything except what I observed.

2. I have a day job and it isn't working for the British Museum Restoration department, where I could SLOWLY remove the crud on these coins day after day. This is an important issue. I rushed this process and know it.

3. These chemicals are VERY caustic. If you try this, wear proper nitrile chemical resistant gloves and eye protection. And don't do it on your wife's kitchen table without covering it with something that will resist these chemicals. You'll wish you hadn't :)

Ok. The first photo is as I received the crusties. I bought them for about $3.50 each including shipping.

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I soaked them overnight in distilled water and removed the outer clay/dirt coating as much as possible and then soaked them in CLR to remove the next layer of calcified/mineralized deposits. Some of the coins were totally encrusted and took a lot of effort to get that layer off of them. This is the next photo. (All though not all of them at a time).

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Next step was the Rochelle Salt Solution. I bought the 1 lb. Rochelle Salt and 1 lb. Sodium Hydroxide (pure lye) from a seller on ebay for a total cost delivered to my door for just about $30. I have enough to make several batches of this solution. Below is the first run through the solution. Again, some cleaned quickly, others not so much and took some heavy cleaning. If I had the time I would have stayed on the solution at the recommended 10-30 minutes and then clean with q-tips or soft toothbrush. I confess I left some of the dirtier coins in longer. So this is the first dip. (next photo)

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Finally, this is the end product. I laid out the obverse first and the best coins left to right, where you can see some that have good detail and over to the right where they were pretty well gone before I cleaned them. These were the ones that had the most mineralization and took more solution to free them, which probably didn't help with the surface of some.
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One of things I noticed as I was cleaning was that some of the coins had great detail on one side and not so on the other. I suspect that they had an electrolyze effect going on if laid directly on top of each other. Just a guess. So the reverses show good detail on some, but not on the obverse (see photo below).
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Finally, these coins were from the Balkan Peninsula, specifically from Serbia. I'm not looking to attribute these from this post, although I will be bringing some to the forum soon.

So would I do it again? Absolutely! Couple things I would do different. Only do a few coins at a time. Keep to the time limit the British Museum recommends. Don't use a heavy nylon or fine brass brush (especially the last). And finally, won't do this on my wife's kitchen table. :) Regards!
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WOW this is great.Thanks for sharing it.
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sounds like you had some fun. First I would like to say that you should invest in better quality coins from the start. Go to vcoins and search uncleaned there you will find coins like the wolf and twins coin I cleaned where they are higher grade from the start. The coins from dirty old coins look like they would clean up good too. You have to be pickier about the coins you choose to get better results; that said I think you did a great job on the coins. One thing about this hobby the more you know the more fun it is.
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 Posted 01/07/2012  3:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jessvc1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
After you have used this formula to clean the coins and if there is more crud use a wooden skewer, or toothpick and a loupe then carefully pick at what is left. Make sure you rinse the coins good with cold water when you are done. continue soaking the coins in distilled water checking on them weekly(using a toothpick or skewer each time to pick at the crud) using mechanical cleaning until finished. The solution will already have loosened up the debris and the water will loosen up what is left.
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oh yeah when you get enough posts message me I would be interested in a trade for the griffin coin you have up there top row fourth from right. See your skills are already paying off
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with jessvc1's comments. If you can select coins you can reasonably expect to have more detail remaining, the better your results will be. That being said, you did a good job. BUT, stay off the kitchen table buddy!
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How long did you leave the coins in the solution the first time you used it. The coins look about right there with the patinas still intact in the first picture. That is where I would of stopped and used the distilled water it would take about a week or less with some of the coins soaking them in distilled water and using a bamboo skewer cleaning daily. Some of the coins look overcleaned and chaulky looking but overall you did a good job and more importantly you learned from experimenting. You need to experiment to get it right.
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oh yeah dont clean the coins with anything harder then a toothbrush or bamboo skewer. Some people use a dental pick and I have a few of these myself but I get better results from a toothbrush and bamboo skewer plus if you slip you wont but a scratch in the coin. I would also say that although they sell metal brushes I dont think anyone should EVER use one of these but thats just my opinion. Your off to a good start keep it up.
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Thanks for the comments guys. Good advice on buying uncleans. Because they were totally encrusted, I felt like there was a better chance of finding something worthwhile. Obviously not. I did look at the dirtyoldcoins website and they do have some interesting uncleans for sale. I had purchased these in my zeal when I first got started, so I'm going to chock up all this to my novice status and learning curve. I still have 10 uncleans coming from Austria and my brother and I are looking to get some as well, so until I go through those avenues, I probably won't be buying anymore uncleans anytime soon. Plus there is some attribution work to consider.
But I see one caught your eye, eh jessvc1? Yeah, JW no more kitchen table work for me!
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 Posted 01/07/2012  4:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oxos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, in retrospect I should have stopped at that stage. I had them in the solution about two hours, but they had also been cleaned with CLR prior to. The problem was that many of the coins as I stated took multiple soaking to get the deep corrosion off them. This is where I made my mistake. Because it was entrenched on some I resorted to the 'brass brush' and yes an end of a stainless steel tweezer to break it off and 'speed' the process. But all in all I'm pleased at what I learned here. Just go slow and like you said, once you get them to where the patina is intact, stop and use distilled water and a wooden instrument instead of steel or brass.
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 Posted 01/07/2012  4:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oxos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As to the coin, we'll see how that fits into my collection strategy and what it is. But I'll let you have first dibs on this one if I do let it go.
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