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New Member
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Am able to buy this coin, only not sure if it's real or fake and therefore could use some help. Pictures below. thanks in advance, V   |
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United States
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I can't really tell as I'm not real familiar with silver just yet. Although, it would help to have an exact weight and measurement of the coin. That often helps to tell if a coin is real or not.
The reverse is kind of strange to me. I haven't seen a Nero denarius with the soldier facing right. The soldier might be holding a shield but it's hard to tell. There is also a crack at about 9 o'clock. How much is the coin being sold for?
However, I have heard there are a lot of Nero fakes around.
Welcome to the forum.
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01/08/2012 10:30 am
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New Member
 Belgium
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Apparently it's Ric-34, seller is asking 150 $ and claims to have found it during a metal detection session.
Weight and size I don't have unfortunately
Hope someone can shed light on this,
kind regards,
V
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United Kingdom
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This coin would appear to be a fouree i.e. a silver plated copy. It is difficult to tell if it is ancient or modern. It isn't a solid silver original.
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Martin
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I agree with maridvnvm. It looks like a fouree denarius, or an ancient fake. They themselves are collectible but do not receive as much interest as other ancient coins.
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United States
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It's a fouree, but ancient or not, I am unsure. I would say ancient though. The denarius of this coin is considered R3 for rarity, and is quite expensive.
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New Member
Belgium
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so what you think this is worth?
thanks for the answers so far tho, appreciate it !
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Interesting coin, I agree it's a fouree of the period. The examples I was able to find all had EX-SC across the field. This one has I ? SC which is different from the official issue.
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hi,in my opinion it's a fake,no doubt about this....a modern fake even bad done... especially on the reverse,it can be also a fusion (there aren't signes of the die)....too cheap... this coin as original can even go for 3000$.....a bad fake no doubt....look how poor is the legenda,the figure,on the reverse.....don't buy it!
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01/08/2012 2:27 pm
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The examples I was able to find all had EX-SC across the field I believe that there is an EX to the left of the figure, but they are crude and worn, making them hard to read. To the ancient populace this fouree might have been able to pass as authentic to those who were unscrupulous but to others who were more attuned to the money they received it would have been rejected. Sometimes these fouree coins have even more appeal to me than their legal counterparts simply because they have more character. A lot of work was out into these by the ancient forgers. They knew they had to be good, because if they were caught they would be killed.  |
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Giano is more than likely correct. I don't like the portrait. It doesn't look right either. I don't think I would spend my money on this coin. There are some much better Nero coins on the market. If you decide not to buy this coin but find another, let us have a look. We'll give you our honest opinions. Sorry
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I'm less than knowledgeable on details of Nero coins, but the rims on this Nero look far too regular for a hammer-struck coins I've seen recently in museums, whether Roman or Medieval.
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New Member
Belgium
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thanks guys, I really appreciate the input.
i'll not buy the coin after your input :)
jwharper : honest feedback is much more appreciated !
As I'm new into this ; my goal to start with is to get a coin of each of the 12 caesars.
Started to read on this forum and still looking to buy my first coin !
Kind of overwhelming at first (wildwinds etc.) but we'll get there :)
So all input on where to buy is welcome offcourse.
kind regards,
V
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United States
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If you are looking for a first coin and a denarius, I would suggest that you find a nice one of the emperor Antoninus Pius. While not one of the twelve caesars, he was one of the better emperors that issues a large number of coins. His denarius are less expensive than most. My avatar is one that I bought on ebay for $25. |
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my goal to start with is to get a coin of each of the 12 caesars. I started collecting in 1981 and my first goal was to collect one denarius of each of the first 12 Caesars. If you have been watching this discussion board, then you know I just completed my set this past week. Thirty-one years, off and on of course. And to be honest, I wasted money on two coins in the early times that turned out to be modern fakes. It is a worthy strategy, but beware, there are many fakes of the first 12 Caesars. The most expensive and elusive will be Caligula followed closely by Claudius denarii. Next Otho, Julius, Vitellius, Galba, Tiberius, Nero and Titus in that order. The easiest and perhaps the least expensive are Augustus, Vespasian and Domitian. In many cases, collectors of this series will buy any denarius of Julius Caesar, but I wanted a portrait coin of each so I had to pay more for the JC coin. Good luck, and if you ever find you need advice/info, just about everyone here will help. A good place to start looking for your coins might be Vcoins.com. Good reputable dealers! Oh, and btw,  Edited by Bing
01/08/2012 4:47 pm
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I see no reason to doubt that the coin is ancient but it is certainly a fourree of the foil technique and a better than average specimen of the breed. I have never seen a fourree of the foil technique that I believe was of modern manufacture. Striking a coin in this manner is a lot more work than using a fully silver blank which would sell for much more. This has very nice characteristic foil seams on the reverse. It is not worth quite $150 in my opinion but I would probably pay $75 and would expect most dealers who will carry a fourree would ask $100. My page: http://www.forumancientcoins.com/do...urreer2.html The Nero Salus on that page cost me $45 but this is nicer so I may be being cheap. I do not recommend such a coin to a beginner but it should go to someone interested in ancient counterfeits. Style is not all that bad for an early period Nero. The later portraits are very different and seem more often. Compare this solid one: http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=138761Edited by dougsmit
01/08/2012 10:51 pm
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