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Genuine Medieval Medal ?

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 Posted 01/11/2012  10:12 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add draglion to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi collectors,

I got this medal about 20 years ago and still have no idea if genuine or not.Also I would highly appreciate any description about the medal , what representing,when and where was minted.
Thank you in advance.
draglion
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 Posted 01/11/2012  10:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add draglion to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
just forgot to upload the pictures...



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 Posted 01/11/2012  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Draglion,

Only reference to Daniel de Hanna I can find...

Translate this page on Google via "daniel de hanna" search
bunka.nii.ac.jp

Looks like the same medallion. Has a communist feel to the reverse.

Nice find but would be interesting to find out who he was?

Mike.
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01/11/2012 11:13 am
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 Posted 01/11/2012  11:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add draglion to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Found the following information :
''This is a bronze medal made by Leone Leoni (1509-1590) in the middle of the 16th century Italy. The obverse of this medal represents Daniel de Hanna and the ...''? ...no more information, the website missing....
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 Posted 01/11/2012  11:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like the same Japanese link that I got Draglion.
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 Posted 01/11/2012  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add draglion to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Mike,

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...=2&hl=hu&ct=

I remember, I have searched for Daniel de Hanna a few years ago but got no results , the above mentioned link is the only one what I found today.
Do you really think that the obverse representing a communist scene ? I supposed that could be some kind of torturing machines of wheel of fortune.
Going to search for more information :-)
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 Posted 01/11/2012  11:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This got me curious, and I did a search too. I did not find the same exact medal, but there is one listed in this archive.. I also think the reverse depicts some instrument of torture, such as a "rack". Daniel de Hanna may be a religious martyr. Overall, the style appears to me to be High Renaissance Italy or later (1500 AD onwards)
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 Posted 01/11/2012  11:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add draglion to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

http://www.mcsearch.info/record.html?id=371727


found him again :-)
Also found Daniele de Hanna and Daniel de Hana

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 Posted 01/11/2012  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add draglion to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
found another information :

285. Danieled'HaonaOvd'Anna. 04c. Bust r., in tunic and furred
cloak, bare-headed. DANIEL DE HANNA - Ssv. Woman r.,
mounting on a wheel which is turnnil by another wuiuan I., naked.

http://www.archive.org/stream/aguid...oog_djvu.txt

Still no idea who was Daniel de Hanna ... a nobleman from Venezia ?
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 Posted 01/11/2012  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add draglion to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
FOUND IT :

''Leone portrayed a number of celebrities besides those whom
I have mentioned, and he was specially successful with certain members of the Hanna family.Martin de Hanna was a wealthy Flemish merchant who settled at Venice.

We have medals of him(Plate XVIII.5), of his sons Daniel and
John, and of Paul the son of John, all probably from Leone'shand, and all singularly attractive.A medal of Titian is
also, without much reason, attributed to Leone,and he signed
one of Vasari.
Contemporary with Leone Leoni is another famous Milanese
medallist, Jacopo Nizolla of Trezzo.''

http://www.scribd.com/doc/34182407/...-Renaissance
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 Posted 01/11/2012  2:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MikeG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well done draglion.

"Do you really think that the obverse representing a communist scene ? I supposed that could be some kind of torturing machines of wheel of fortune."

You are obviously right; I first thought it could have represented toil, hard work, etc. as found on some communist pictures, etc. of the 20th Century. It certainly is a little weird.

Mike.
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 Posted 01/11/2012  2:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I thought I saw a figure wrapped around the wheel, which reminded me of this--a bit graphic, sorry.

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 Posted 01/11/2012  3:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add draglion to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi DVCollector,

I found that medal also and quickly directed me to search for Leoni, I think your idea about that Daniel was a martyr was a good chain to search for more information, the only thing that was not so evident, how Daniel can be an Italian martyr if his name wasn't converted to Italian.The Papal State accepted only
Latin name versions for martyrs if I'm not wrong.
Tried to translate his name in Latin but I found no results.
Anyway he was a ''simple'' nobleman from Venice, without any importance for future recognisement, that's why there's no any information about him, just the artist is important for our era :-)


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 Posted 01/11/2012  4:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add draglion to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mike,

Thank you.
History can be repeated :-)
I was born and raised in a communist country and that's why I found no similarity with the medal's theme. But the truth is that can be very confuse...the only one aspect which excluded it was the two nude humans having a little sexual orientation, that was uncommon in a communist era.
Nude humans were represented as a powerful muscled devoted persons, except motherhood, when somtimes women were represented nude or partially nude.
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 Posted 01/11/2012  4:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add draglion to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi DVCollector,

I also suspected that backside is a kind of ''hell scene'' or dungeon image :-)
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