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We last discussed it here: https://goccf.com/t/106221Under the harsh, uncompromising glass of the APO-Rodagon, it appears a lesser coin than initial estimates; my guess is 64-65. What does not change is just_how_close it is to FB; in less-scrupulous hands I think it could be tooled to FB undetectably. The price I paid is far more than justified; this is as close as I'll ever come to a FB 1945. Two sets of images will be presented. The first is shot with two lights, and the second shot with a single light.      I'm torn between having it slabbed and flipping it, and keeping it raw in my 7070 to prevent it from ever being doctored. It's a $20+ coin if not FB, and a $5000 coin if it is. |
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Wow, that is achingly close. Some of the slabbed ones I've seen in auctions don't look all that much different. Interesting that if it had one more "D" on the reverse it'd be a disappointment instead of a gem. It's certainly as nice a '45 as I'd ever expect to own.
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First off - great coin. I remember when it was talked about before. Guess you really did put your money where your mouth was :) My uninformed opinion would be MS-64 FB.
If it's a $5,000 coin and you're considering flipping it.. Why not play the submission game multiple times to the big 3. If it comes back as not FB, crack it out the last time and put it in your 7070. IF it comes back as FB, keep it as a centerpiece of your collection, or flip it and buy those coins that you've always wanted.
That'd probably be my approach to it.
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01/19/2012 2:03 pm
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Fine coin as is - a real keeper.
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I think it could be tooled to FB yep. Quote:
undetectably nope. |
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Do the TPG'ers use magnification to determine FB? Playing Devils Advocate  : do the TPG'ers consider the mushiness of the leaves to the left of the center bands and lower diagonal cord as the make or break for "ever so close" FB?  I also never noticed the four "floating" leaves to the right of the center bands. Edited by oih82w8
01/20/2012 11:54 am
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The mushiness of the other details, or the fullness of the periphery lettering, or the state of the die is not considered. The only thing they look at is the center bands, and they're more forgiving on some dates than others. Like I mentioned above, if this were a 1945-D it would not be considered even a close call, but for a 1945 or a 1918-D, FB specimens are so rare that even the barest separation would do. Check out this MS68FB (1945-D) for an example of one with really mushy details and a very late-state die but a full-bands designation. The floating leaves are normal on the later dates because of progressive wear and damage to the master hub. |
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There are certain parts of coins that don't strike up well. split tail on buffs, steps on jeffs, fsb dimes, fh sl quarters, fbl halves, etc. Some collect only coins with those designations.
The problem is that those are typical weak spots, but it's quite common to have something like a FSB Merc with weak sticks or foliage, while another coin that didn't have FSB could be a much sharper strike and more attractive coin overall.
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Superb photos Superdave, and such a close call on the bands! I think I'd take NWC Coin's advice and try at least once for an FB grade from a TPG. Think how many exotic 1921 Morgan VAMs you could buy if the gamble paid off!  |
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WOW! What an absolutely beeeeyoouuuteeefuulll coin!
I can't wait till I find one a least half as nice as this one! Great pictures SuperDave! 
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Posted 01/19/2012 2:02 pm
