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I did a check of my coin stash tongigt and noticed I was a couple of coins shy of filling a roll of Franklin halves so was perusing ebay for a couple of good candidates. I found this lot:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/14068355220....m1439.l2649

I know that the paper in rolls can react with the silver and cause toning of the rims of the coins - but what would cause it in the plastic holders? Just curious.

I can't tell from his pics if the two with the more obvious toning are the ones in the chipped holders (which might thus nolonger be airtight) but perhaps so.

And for my second stupid question of the night..what is the SSCA?

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They were prolly put in plastic 30-50 years after they were made, and who knows what happened in that time. There's nothing "original" about them, nor are they a "collection".
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What exactly do you mean biggfredd, why would they not be original Franklin halves? I paid spot price so that was all I was looking for. I'm not into them for numismatic value. Now if you are saying they aren't real Franklin's I'd like to know why before I pay him! :)

If your comments are meant to indicate they aren't uncirculated I understand that and he's clear about that in the auction. For my purposes I don't need uncirculated.

What exactly is SSCA, I see some listings that indicate them on ebay but nothing really kicks out when I do a google search.

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I have no clue what "SSCA" is, but that wasn't a terrible price. Seller seems like a wack job, though.
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Still the buyer got them for $3 under melt tho
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Perhaps (and I'm just supposing) they are a company that packages circulated coins in such a way to give them an air of numismatic value that they don't have, complete with "certification" etc..I imagine some people might pay a premium thinking they are getting something they aren't. Me, if it doesn't go for spot or close to it I won't bite. Earl
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I am with Fredd here (I know, shocking eh?) there is nothing "original" as the seller presented it. However, he does not make any false claims as to the condition of the coins, so no biggy. Also, that toning has NOTHING to do with the air tights. That happened before this SSCA (whatever that is) put these coins in the air tights. If you payed meltish for them, not bad.

Perhaps I should do that with some of my circulated Bens. Bet I could make a ton.
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Yep Smokrider and Frdd I get you now. I agree his packaging and story were phony but I wasn't paying for those. First thing I'm going to do when I get them is throw all that crap away, top off one roll of Franklins and start another :)

I learned LONG ago with my militaria collecting to buy the item, not the story or the packaging. That does explain the toning though, wasn't thinking about that. I do feel bad for people that would fall for the packaging/marketing and pay a premium.

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Just a guess but I think SSCA is (was) Super Stamp and Coin Auctions which went bankrupt in the mid-90's.

Here's the link that led me to them: http://law.justia.com/cases/federal...1004/577643/
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Thanks for the link Contra...looks like SSCA aquired collections and such, must have done their little "packaging" and "certification"...then auctioned stuff off - and didn't pay the owners...ooops..
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Yep an okay price, but the coins are all circulated, they didn't come from an original roll together, the SSCA is just a marketing company, from what I've been able to find, no longer in business, not a very reputable company as far as anything really collectable or special, they market coins, sports cards, stamps, money, etc. as valuable collectibles - when in fact most items anything but rare or investment grade items.

SSCA - Sports, Stamps Collector Association the principal is now doing business under First Collectors Mint.
http://articles.mcall.com/1994-07-0...i-tech-cards

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What exactly do you mean biggfredd,


"original pkg" would imply they came from the mint that way, which they didn't.

"collection" is a defined set. They're not a set of Franklins, not even a P mint set, just five Franklins.

You got them for around scrap value, which is what they're worth, so no worries.

"SSCA" is just a dealer, as if I'd call stuff that I put in a fancy holder "BFCR" for Bigg Fredd's Collectable Rarities.
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Here's the link that led me to them: http://law.justia.com/cases/federal...1004/577643/


That's Superior Stamp & Coin Co., Inc., I don't think they're related.
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