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Pillar of the Community
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Just for the fun of it I wanted to see how the quality of images taken with the APO-Rodagon-D 75mm (75ARD1) lens held up when a teleconverter was attached to my bellows setup as well. So, I bought an inexpensive 3x Sears Teleconverter on ebay with M42 threads ($12), and added it to my system. The teleconverter arrived yesterday, and last night I shot a few images (just to play). My set up was: Canon 50D -- EOS to M42 adapter -- M42 3x Teleconverter -- M42 Pentax Autobellows -- M42 to M39 adapter -- M39 duplicating lens (75ARD1). The images below are all full sensor images resized to 1200 pixels wide. The first is a 1944-S Lincoln Cent, the 2nd is the branch-hand detail of a 1945 Walking Liberty half dollar, and the 3rd are the letters "RUST" of "IN GOD WE TRUST" from a 1971-D DDO Kennedy half dollar.   
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Pillar of the Community
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Looks pretty good! Inexpensive way to get 3x more magnification, huh? ...Ray
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Pillar of the Community
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Just saw your note that you resized to 1200 wide. Your Canon has a 4752 wide sensor, so if you resize to exactly 1200 your reduction ratio is 3.96. Sharpness will suffer with a non-integer reduction. Basically, none of the original image is "real", every pixel is a "figment of the algorithm's imagination". If you resize with an integer value, the algorithm averages adjacent pixels and a sharper image results. Rather than 1200 wide, I'd suggest making the final image 1188 wide. this is exactly a 4x reduction...Ray
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Pillar of the Community
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Here is the cent with the width of 1188 instead of 1200. Notice any differences? 
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Pillar of the Community
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Brandon...actually, both are showing up as 1023 pixels wide...Ray
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Pillar of the Community
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Hmmm...they are both in photobucket and linked here. I guess there is some limit (1024 pixels wide?) that is allowed here? Let me try something else -- resized to 1200px and 1188px wide, respectively, and then cropped to 1000 x 600 px. Also, I was thinking, it's just habit for me to do a sharpen of 1 after resize now, so I also didn't do any sharpening in these two pictures (but I did in the one above!) See the two below. I never thought about the integer scaling problem, but it does make a lot of sense. I appreciate your help (again!). Let me know if you see spots where the rescaling softness shows up. -Brandon  
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Pillar of the Community
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Brandon...Usually the reduced sharpness shows up in high contrast regions or regions near the upper and lower end of the histogram. For instance, the small dark spot to the right of the S mintmark. In the 1200px image, the spot is just a spot and there is little detail in it. In the 1188 image, the spot has more detail and you can clearly see it has lighter area in its bottom right and upper left corners. Similarly, the grey dust spec at the far right of the crossbar of the first 4 just looks like a blob in the 1200 pixel image, while it has some inner tonal gradations in the 1188 pixel image.
For such a large reduction ratio, the difference is extremely subtle but I'm a sharpness hawk and this sort of thing bothers me, especially when it is easily avoided. The reason for the smaller differences with large ratio is that lots of pixels are being used for the down-sizing of each pixel in either case. The differences in sharpness are much larger for a ratio of 2 than a ratio of 4 because far fewer pixels are averaged to get the final result. And worst case is a sub-2x reduction. If a sub-2x reduction is required, then fractional reductions seem to work best...Ray
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Just as an FYI: This forum custom-resizes posted images automatically based on a percentage of your browser window width, not to any specific size. So, not everybody sees the same image at the same size when the original image is larger than a minimum which fits *everyone*. In addition, when uploaded to CCF's image hosting, they're forced to 800px regardless.
I run my browser fullscreen at a monitor resolution of 1920x1200 - about the largest "common" resolution - and brg5658's images are still downsized for me as well. I'd recommend that detail images be cropped to a max of about 1000px wide to ensure proper display.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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those pictures look allot better than I am getting with the 100mm canon lens and the T1i. I haven't been super impressed with my setup but hopefully once I make it to ikea in Charlotte and pick up some of those LED lights (because I can't find anything like it at Walmart around here) I will be a little happier with the pictures after that
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Pillar of the Community
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Superdave, if you click on the images the open in a new window for me. In that window, the new ones are the correct 1000px wide. Within the post thread itself, you're right they are always resized. I just assumed that when I posted a 1200 px wide image, and then click on it and it was resized to 1,023 pixels wide that it was a default for the max width allowed. 1,023 happens to be one less than a power of 2, so it seemed logical that it had something to do with the way the computer system was set up to resize really wide photos. :)
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Your last presented images are the correct width (1000px - I never noticed your note that you'd cropped to 1000 and was looking for 1200/1188) in Firefox, with no clickability. In IE9, the same images are 1060px on my screen, clickable and when clicked the result is about 1096px.
I'm using Pixel Ruler, BTW, a pretty useful tool.
When I snag your link and go directly to the Photobucket file, the image shows 1024 wide in Firefox and about 1160 in IE.
I think I'm just going to go ahead and stay confused here.
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Pillar of the Community
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LOL. I'm right there with you. I don't try to understand what forums are doing with posted images...as long as they look halfway decent I suppose. 
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Pillar of the Community
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Ray, I don't know if you noticed, but it seems that the non-integer rescale also messed with the color a little bit. To my eyes, the 1200px resize is darker and maybe "more red", possibly because of averaging or softening of the image based on a non-integer resize? I did double check my process, and those images were not in any way altered color-wise. Only resized, and then cropped. Maybe this an additional interesting (possible) side effect of my bad choice of resizing factor.
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The upshot of what I'm thinking here is, if we're gonna get all pixel-peeping about this, the only way to do it right might be in an exchange of email attachments. We're so far beyond "necessary" for online image posting that it has to appear absurd to anyone not equally-obsessed. 
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Pillar of the Community
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I'm not having the same issues you guys are. To compare the images I clicked on each of them and then saved them locally to my PC. The saved images are both 1000x600. When I go back and forth between them the histograms and color balance don't seem to change at all.
I'm viewing the images on ViewNX, so these issues sound like they are web browser related.
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