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I was watching this coin on ebay for a couple of days. I was attracted to it because of the campgate reverse and the nice round flan. I never bid on it, but the coin sold for $125. Why? It is a Constantine I AE3, Siscia RIC VII 200,B. Does someone know why this coin should have sold for so much? I was willing to bid up to $30, but that was my limit.

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 Posted 01/28/2012  7:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
While the coin has excellent detail and centering, I have no idea why they would pay so much.
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I probably was a case of "just gotta have it" bidding.
It only takes two determined bidders to get a price like this.
Where are they when I list on eBay
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01/28/2012 7:59 pm
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I probably was a case of "just gotta have it" bidding.


You may be right because I just do not see what makes this coin worth that kind of price. I have what I consider some very nice Constantine I coins. Absolutely none of them cost me near that much. There must be something about this coin I am missing. But, hey, you might be right.
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A very nice Constantine: absolutely. Worth $125: nope.
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It's called "Auction Fever".
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 Posted 01/28/2012  8:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yankee1227 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's really centered, but still not worth $125
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I am not sure I could pay $125 but I would likely be willing to pay at least $80 for the obvious reasons:

#1)perfectly centered and well struck flan
#2)fantastic portrait

But, more likely:

#3)"people LOVE the pellets" especially when they are inside arches in the top layer.

Also, as trout said "gotta have it syndrome" or it just could have been a hole that this collector has been trying to fill and couldn't give up a coin in this condition.

Remember, a coin's worth is always what the buyer is willing to pay for it and NOT necessarily what the market dictates it SHOULD be worth.

-Kurt


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When you look at the photo, it looks like it has excellent color. Might not look as good color-wise once the coin arrives. Then again, it could look excellent in hand. Just how it goes sometimes.

Just as I said before "Auction Fever".

When some people gotta have something, the price will go up up up to unreasonable levels.
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It's a nice coin overall, but this campgate is really distinctive.
I like those arches/crenellations--but it's not worth $125 to me.
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$125




Crazy - its a nice coin with great details but $125 IS A LOT! Iv'e not researched to coin to see if its considered rare.

Its not unusual to see crazy prices on ebay this time of year, people spent November and Decembers wages on Christmas presents for other people and the end of January marks payday and the chance for people to spend on themselves again, maybe someone really needed this to fill a gap in their collection!
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maybe someone really needed this to fill a gap in their collection!


There must have been a lot of "someones" as there were over 30 bids. But $125 is ridiculous in my mind unless there is something extraordinaire about this coin that I am unaware of. Oh well, to each his own. Like I said, when it came up on ebay at .99 starting bid, I was willing to pay as much as $30 if need be. I never had a chance to bid because it went up so fast. I still think there is something about the coin I am missing.
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 Posted 01/28/2012  10:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Biancasdad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
JW, I couldn't find this coin under "completed listings" and was curious to see how it was listed

-Kurt

EDIT: Found it. Looks like two bidders hooked up in a late bidding war.
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01/28/2012 10:20 pm
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Auction results often mystify me and I see this coin as overpriced at $30 but I'm no expert on campgates. I do not own a RIC 200 (the one with dots) but have two of the following series with crescents RIC 214 and one with different portrait RIC 215. The last is listed as R2 while the others are all C3 so they should be cheap. I do not see the OP coin a all that high grade due to surface texture. My three coins cost $10, $12 and $15 but I bought them because I thought they were cheap and attractive so maybe twice those numbers would be reasonable.

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These coins are listed as coming with varying numbers of rows of blocks. The OP coin is 6 with a note that 5-10 is normal and 11 and 13 are exceptional. Perhaps someone really wanted a 6 row coin. Mine are all higher (8-10 row) but I have not looked for these variations so I don't know if 5 row is hard to find or not. I also think I see a trace of a second dot after the mintmark but I can not believe anyone would pay that much extra for a spurious extra dot.
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I couldn't find this coin under "completed listings" and was curious to see how it was listed


I no longer have the listing, but the seller was "mastermust" I believe.


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but I can not believe anyone would pay that much extra for a spurious extra dot


My thoughts exactly. But I have this nagging feeling that I'm missing something. It just doesn't seem possible that someone would spend so much for a coin with "X" amount of rows or dots. Not a coin worth maybe a tenth to a quarter of what was paid.
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Here is something interesting.

I found this listing on Vcoins from a reputable seller that I have personally purchased several nice coins from. This example for sale, listed as RIC VII 200, has, in addition,
the base dots.

It seems unlikely, but if both bidders were searching for an example of RIC VII 200, it is conceivable that one or both of them had seen this listing. It took me less than a minute to have my Vcoins search reveal this entry to me.

Having said that, they both would have had to make the same mistake in not realizing that the premium price is being placed on the Vcoins example because of the dots on top and bottom unlike the ebay example with dots only on the top.

Here is the picture of the Vcoins example and corresponding information provided by the seller.

Food for thought,

-Kurt

Price:$180 US

CONSTANTINE I, The Great. Follis, 3.14g. Siscia. Perhaps unrecorded campgate variation.

CONSTANTINE I, The Great. 306-337 A.D.

Obverse: CONSTANTINVS AVG
Laureate bust r.

Reverse: PROVIDENTIAE AVGG
Campgate, two turrets, star above, dot on top of doorway, arches with dots on top AND bottom.

Exergue: dot BSIS dot
Mint City: Siscia. Struck 326-327 AD

Reference: RIC VII, 200

A very rare, perhaps unrecorded exception to the rule laid out on RIC VII, p. 449-450, n.200: 'Some coins have a row of dots or arches (pointed or rounded) with dots in uppermost layer, other coins have these dots (never arches) in bottom layer, which occasionally is depicted as a kind of base for the camp gate. Further varieties show row of dots both in top and bottom layer, exceptionally a row of arches with dots in top, dots only in bottom


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