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I know this is a small scan, but I don't have a Breen's or other reference to be able to attribute it to a regular 1877P or an 1877/6P (wishing on a star or "6" actually). Would greatly appreciate any help with that determination. The second "7" certainly is dropped. Thoughts? Paleoguy  Edited by paleoguy45
01/29/2012 3:11 pm
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With all due respect, man, you haven't even mentioned what denomination the coin is. Assuming it's a Half, you might want to read this, where the two gentlemen who codified Seated Half varieties have decided 1877/6 isn't real: http://blog.davidlawrence.com/index...ollars-1877/ |
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Yes SD, it is a half dollar. I suppose the Red Book and PCGS also need to read the article and heed. The PCGS Price Guide separates them from the regular 1877, provides POP information, rarity information, and auction results. If it is not a 7/6, it is still a very rare coin that commands a substantial premium. Thanks for the info. |
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True, and I gather that Randy Wiley has since come to the conviction that it is, in fact, an overdate. All the same - and I hope you'll understand I'm not trying to dispute with you, at all, since it's a recognized variety - the reasoning Wiley & Bugert used originally remains valid and unexplained: Quote:
In order for any portion of an earlier number 6 punched into a die to be visible as a raised image on the very top surface of a later number 7 punched into the same die, the "entire number 6″ would necessarily have had to be punched into the die to a slightly greater depth than the digit 7. If this were the case, than other remnants of the number 6 would most certainly be visible around the edge of the final number 7. So where's the rest of the 6? I snagged images of an 1876 and an 1877 from Heritage to play with. "187" is very similar on both - the 1 is tilted slightly left and low, and the digits are in the same position on the die. Not identical - not perfect - but very close. Close enough to draw conclusions. If I then crop the first 7 from the 1876 and place it in the proper horizontal location for the 1877, the knob on the 6 which forms the "overdate" is not close to where it appears on "overdate" coins. It's noticeably farther to the right, barely fitting onto the 7. Like so:  I'm just not buying this as a valid overdate. |
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Addition for clarity: Below is a detail image of the "overdate," stolen from an ebay auction. It's real, as compared to known overdate coins from respected dealers (whose images were much smaller, but clear enough for me to see the pic I present here is righteous). Note the shape and orientation are both wrong when compared to an actual date 6, as in my first image.  |
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Great forensics SD! I'm sure it's just the more common of the late die pairs with closed olive. But "hope springs eternal in the human breast"..  Edited by paleoguy45
01/29/2012 5:31 pm
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Can't help with any of the attribution PG ... but am enjoying the scans of this outstanding Half dollar. Assume you will show some nice photos when the coin is in hand? Looks high MS from here.  David Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.artEdited by nickelsearcher
01/29/2012 5:36 pm
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But "hope springs eternal in the human breast".. As well it should. Regardless of my personal opinion, this is still popularly considered a rare and valuable variety and you're deep into the cash register if yours is that variety. Is my image sufficient for you to identify yours? Here's another: http://www.dickosburn.com/1877-6-li...ar-au58.html |
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The 1877/6 doesn't have the dropped 7 at all looks like the date is pretty even. The dropped 7 is interesting, I've not seen one before. That's a Larry Briggs question for sure, if anyone has seen another one like it Larry has.
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Great reference link SD. PCGS Price Guide also has some examples of the coin in MS. I'm sure it's one of the more common 1877P's minted with the later dies because the olive is closed. The dropped 7 is interesting though. I HOPE it doesn't portend future anguish (Hawaiian Dollar saga pertains). |
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Jury's in.... no joy.... Got the coin today and it's a regular ole 1877. Also, not BU but highly cleaned XF+.. Back to the seller.... Sometimes chicken, sometimes steak, sometimes potted meat with no crackers...  Let the quest continue! |
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