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Athenian Owls--Imitation, Genuine, Or Fake?

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I've been intrigued by Athenian owls for years, and just recently I've been trying to learn more about these coins so I can make a wise collecting decision. Today, I ran across this owl on an ancient coin forum--"a" in the pic below. Surprisingly, nobody questioned the authenticity of this coin, which I cannot believe was minted in Athens. At best, it may be an ancient "imitative owl", minted in the Near East; at worst, it's a poor fake.

It's easy to say this coin looks "wrong." But, for the sake of learning, how exactly how would you describe this coin, as compared to a real Athenian owl--are there any stylistic "rules"? Are there physical differences on coin "d"? For a point of reference, I have included two genuine owls, one with finer features, the other coarser ("b" and "c"). Lastly, I have included a modern fake (d) that attempts to look real, but something looks wrong about it, right? How would you compare the modern to the ancient?

Athenian-Owls--Imitation,-Genuine,-Or-Fake?
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Like the antiquarians of old, I would question the suspect coin on style.
The stylistic detail just does not match up to the genuine coins shown.

Even without having the coin in hand, all of us in the CCF can at least express an opinion on stylistic grounds because of photography and the 'Net.

Lots of experience is a valuable ally in the identification of fake ancients, and we can all learn a little bit here.
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The stylistic detail just does not match up to the genuine coins shown.

And at the same time, I find this is something very hard to quantify and explain.
The obverse on "d" just looks fake, but I can't explain exactly why, and why obverse "b" looks real.
I suspect it boils down to experience looking at the real thing.
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 Posted 02/08/2012  12:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't pick "d" as a fake from the picture here
Stylistic determination just ain't reliable enough in this case.

A few more considerations would have to come into play to pick it.
A few rules I apply:
1.Weight it
2.Consult your 'gut' feeling. (that is what you have done here)
3.Photograph the edge in search for evidence of an electrotype join
4.Check other websites that have a library of fakes
5.Take it to an experienced specialist
6. Confirm it's provenance and sale history.

There are some specialist scientific tests, but they can cost an arm and a leg.

All of my big ticket ancients have come from an internationally respected source. You have to expect that this will add to the sale price.
If you have any doubts, don't buy it anyway.
If you do buy, keep all of the sales documentation to help prove provenance.
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So this is a game I play--judging ancient art, even small examples such as on coins--looking for subtle differences between each example, and whether those differences are consistent with an overall style, or whether they suggest a later interpretation. I think it all started when a local Egyptian antiquity museum was exposed for exhibiting fakes, where I would visit their exhibits, trying to determine what was fake--and why. Later, employed by an archaeology text publisher, I got much more opportunity for studying ancient art. Perhaps that explains my detailed analysis of coins like these.

The same analysis can be applied to ancient Greek art. While the best modern interpretations succeed at reproducing most details, they fail at capturing the intent of the original artist, who created within a specific cultural context. Later, when neo-classicism emerged in the early 1800s with Napoleon, artists sought to revive Greek art-- but from their own cultural context, which resulted in a style distinct from authentic ancient art. If there is one defining quality between modern interpretations and the original, it is that Greek revival art has lost some of the "fluidity" seen in the originals. That same loss of fluidity can be seen in comparing coin "b" to copy "d". As you say--this is hard to quantify; it becomes a "gut feeling".

A lot is put on "provenance," which often amounts to a relatively short trail of purchasing history, ultimately hoping the object came out of the ground sometime in the past. However, in the archaeological sense, provenance means documenting an object as uncovered from a specific site, then physically confirming as falling within the proper historical context. How many ancient coins, even the best examples of classical die art, have such a complete history? Not many, and it's quite possible that a mis-attribution made at one point in a coin's sale history becomes a legitimized piece of its "provenance". This is one difference I see between the business of selling ancient coins and the academic rigor of archaeology. As you note--any bit of provenance is better than none, and ultimately the collector must be informed and trust their own knowledge and judgment when buying any coin.

I don't expect many here will read all this pedantry. But, that's my thought process when I look at ancients.
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Because I am relatively new to collecting ancients, especially Biblical and Romans, I haven't been interested as yet to look at Greek coinage that much. With that said, I have been looking at these 'owl' coins and would like to own at least one in the future.
When looking at your different offering (a through d) I would probably be taken in quite easily. I would have thought that 'C' looked more fake than 'D'. No reason, just subjective.
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I am new to ancient coins too--and the more I study these, the more I realize there is to to learn. Just with Athenian owls, there is an astonishing amount of variety, due to style and time period--described and catalogued in depth by experts. One could spend their whole life collecting different owls if they wanted to.


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I would have thought that 'C' looked more fake than 'D'. No reason, just subjective.
Both are genuine, but it's a pretty distinct difference between B and C; both Athena and the owl are heavier in C. I haven't found an explanation--it could simply be due to different die engravers, or year minted.
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DVCollector: I have a niece that would appreciate your approach......

She has just summitted a thesis for pHd in Roman art. She is one of those types who will probably spend all of her career within the university system.

I would consider myself an uncultured Phillistine next to that!
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Sel,
Wow--A PHd in Roman art--that is very impressive! I'll never have her level of knowledge either, only the enjoyment of learning a few things, and having a few ancient coins.
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I won't either! Like I said, I'm a Phillistine next to her!
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