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Do Dealers Or Catalogue Publishers Decide How Much You Pay?

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 Posted 02/13/2012  06:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another thing often overlooked is minimum prices. An absolutely common cent might catalog for a quarter, but that's for the labor and packaging and storing of that coin.

Fifty of them aren't worth 50 times as much.
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 Posted 02/13/2012  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add goatieman23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My belief is that dealers with buyers will negotiate a price with a catalogue price/book price being a tool to decide how much you pay?
On ebay, being open market, buyers will pay only what they're willing to pay.
At auction, buyers will pay only what they're willing to pay but it may not be enough to secure the purchase.
The book prices are reasonable in some areas but completely out of wack in other areas. For coin pricing & note pricing, you're best off looking at guides from 4-5 years ago for a real indication. But research has to also be done.

ebay is cheap (but also it's sometimes hard to trust the sellers)
Auction is expensive (but you get what you pay for)

I've got an example below of my experience on Sunday at the APTA Show in Malvern. I went to good old Trevor Wikins.
I was wanting a consecutive pair of 1997 $5 Test notes, any prefix, but in UNC condition.
Book price was $75 each.
His price was $65 each.
My price was $50 each ($100 for the pair)
Our deal was $55 each ($110 for the consecutive pair)
That's $40 off book (26.6% off)

Every situation will differ. I've sold some things on ebay & received less than I paid for them at auction (Downies). Whereas I've sold some items for much more than I would have thought they'd go for.

I think that the best way to answer this question all comes down to SUPPLY & DEMAND. It's a matter of finding that perfect equilibrium.
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 Posted 02/13/2012  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think mob of roos best sums it up with "its a case of the chicken or the egg"
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 Posted 02/14/2012  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are dealers with different filosofies of business. Most buy and sell as quickly as possible. They sell at low enuf prices to get rid of everything.

A dealer that makes it a point to have almost anything a customer may want is often buying from other dealers to fill in anything he sells out of. He has to charge more, but you know you can go to his store and find what you want.
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 Posted 02/18/2012  02:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wwwww to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Clewless Gnubees™ invariably skip the first 50 pages explaining what the prices represent and look up the highest price on anything resembling what they have.

Most raw coin dealers do this in Australia too with pre-decimal proofs. Prices for proofs in McD and Renniks are for perfect examples (you'll find this written in the fine print) yet many raw coin dealers sell their low grade and problem proofs at the prices for perfect ones.
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This is the sole reason I am only buying coins that sell for spot or some regular percentage over/under from there. If I can't buy a pretty coin for spot or less, then I don't want it.

My collection is not "one of every silver world coin ever minted", it's specifically "one of every shiny silver world coin that I can buy for less than melt". That's what makes me happy, so that's what I'm doing. And it's a heck of a fun game!
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 Posted 02/18/2012  12:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Baanos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What decides how much I pay is my estimation of the current market value based on how much a given item sells for generally on ebay. Still, I do usually look at the current catalog value to make sure I don't pay above that. However, if I feel a certain item is getting scarce and its value might skyrocket in the near future, I will pay more than catalog value.
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Silvereye, I like your theory on
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It's specifically "one of every shiny silver world coin that I can buy for less than melt". That's what makes me happy, so that's what I'm doing. And it's a heck of a fun game!

It's people like yourself that make me want to sell up part of my collection & just keep my pristine notes, which isn't a bad thing, I've been thinking more & more about selling the decents & re-investing in gold. But I love some of my coins too much.
Is there ever going to be a healthy medium to my addiction?
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