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A Cleaning Experiment Or $121.50 Down The Drain

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 Posted 02/11/2012  5:36 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add dougsmit to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I decided to try an experiment in cleaning uncleaned coins. Some techniques take weeks or months but this is faster (not necessarily better). Coins shown here were tumbled in a toy rock tumbler but instead of the grits used to polish rocks, I used plastic pellets that might more gently remove dirt and also cushion the blows between coins being processed together. I tried both wet (using distilled water) and dry batches and discovered wet was much faster. Some coins emerged from the tumbler after only a couple hours while others took three days before I gave up on them. I tried to remove coins when they were as legible as they were likely to get wishing to avoid wearing them out in the process.

I bought a lot of 60 uncleaned coins from offered on ebay with a photo suggesting at least some of them had detail that might make coins worth saving. After processing there were 6 slugs or coins that I could not identify to ruler. there were also 6 that I might have considered buying individually but not a single coin that I would have paid over $10 for as a separate lot. The rest were in the middle striking me, on the average, being fairly priced at the $2 I paid. Considering I had to buy the pellets and run the tumbler (borrowed from my grandson), this was not a profitable operation unless someone decides they want the coins more than I do.

Of the sixty coins, I could identify 26 fully including mint mark. Fourteen more could be identified certainly except for the mintmark and another 14 were pretty certainly identifiable but required some educated guessing that I suspect I was right more than wrong. On six I had no ID beyound the period (Constantinian, Valentinian or 3rd century radiates).

There were 17 different people (counting things like Urbs Roma and Constantinopolis as 'people') in the 54 identifiable coins. Constans and Constantius II each had 8 coins while Constantine I had six lifetime and two posthumous coins again totalling eight. There was one each of Valerian (oldest coin as well as Honorius (newest) as well as Jovian (best coin in the bunch). There were no rarities (and no Domitian II for sure). I don't have photos of all the coins but add a few here that may give the idea. Before this experiment I was not a believer in buying uncleaned ancients and even if I had cleaned all of these perfectly, I would now be adding many to my collection. I prefer well struck, full legend attractive common coins that often sell for $20. For the same $120, I could have bought six $20 individuals which I would have preferred to these 60 which I value between $10 and zero. Opinions or questions can be posted here or emailed to me as you prefer. Has anyone tried batch cleaning like this? How did it go?

Best coin was the Jovian from Siscia also shown in dirty state:
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This Aurelian is fully identifiable but I can't help thinking was thrown into the group knowing it was faulty.
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The Constantinopolis should have been removed sooner so probably dropped from a $10 coin to a $5 one at best?
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This Constantine II is among the best group. Very few coins had this much detail or centering.
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The Gallienus zoo coin is fully identifiable with mintmark and decent surfaces but such a weak strike that it was not much of a coin on the day it left the mint. There were six Gallienus coins in the lot and all had better portraits than this one but none had as good a reverse or more legend.

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 Posted 02/11/2012  5:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Consider also that tumbling removed a great deal of patina from the coins, thus diminishing their value to a collector.
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 Posted 02/11/2012  6:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've heard of people using this type of cleaning method, I never considered trying it for fear of destroying the coin. Your experiment seemed to produce good results though.
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 Posted 02/11/2012  7:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All in all I think your cleaning went pretty good. But it sounds like many of the coins didn't have much promise even before the start.

If you bought better uncleaned coins then the cost would be more so it may end up being about the same.

I prefer to buy nicer coins as well.

Thanks for posting the experiment results.

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 Posted 02/11/2012  7:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dougsmit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A problem is that it is hard to tell which coins have a green patina under the surface dirt. Tumbling did noting to harm the browns but wrecked the greens.
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 Posted 02/11/2012  8:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gil-galad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like the Jovian coin turned out really well. Based on what you said, perhaps this method is better for browns and not greens.
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Perhaps a day or two soak first will allow you to see what the color is?
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 Posted 02/11/2012  9:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's an interesting experiment. I wouldn't have the guts to try this, but I like the details I see.
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 Posted 02/11/2012  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Would have liked to have seen the 'before' and 'after' shots.
The coins you have presented look obviously cleaned, but they do look OK otherwise.
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 Posted 02/12/2012  12:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gil-galad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Jovian coin has before and after photos.
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I think the Jovian and Constantine II turned out very good. I like how the soldiers look, like they are coming out of the fog on the constantine and the Jovian looks very nice in that color. I'm always experimenting with different cleaning methods just to see what might work. Do you think this would work good to take off some of the crud or at least thin down the encrusted layer? I found out in most cases the thinner the layer is at the start of the cleaning process the better a coin will turn out in the end so I try to soak them in distilled water and work at the excess buildup with a wood skewer or toothbrush before I start to bring out some details,maybe this will work better. What do you think about this process used in shorter time intervals just to thin out some of the crud instead of clean the coin?
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 Posted 02/12/2012  04:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
dougsmit: I have noted the 'before' and 'after' of the Jovian example.
I have to confess that IMO, that you have improved the appearance of at least that coin, despite the title you have given to this thread.

At least you have been thinking 'outside the square', by way of experiment.

Perhaps in a lot of the coins the metal has been considerably weakened, and was far more sensitive to this type of 'cleaning'.

That is the way it is with ancient coins. You clean the lot as a lot, and a percentage of failures must result. That has to be expected, no matter what method of cleaning is adopted. You just don't know what you have got until basic cleaning is attempted.

Almost all freshly dug up ancient coins need to be cleaned, just to enable basic identification.
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