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Die Cracks On 21d Morgan

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There are die cracks (maybe not correct term) seen on both sides of this 1921 D Morgan. The only photo setup I had available yesterday was with the microscope. There are cracks on both sides. Any idea of rarity, collectability, value, etc.? Thanks. Please ignore the shadow pointer line inside the eyepiece of my microscope.

Obverse, near the date:
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Reverse, near STATES (upside down)
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 Posted 02/15/2012  09:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
drdave,

Hopefully the mods will move this to the " VAM" section. If you visit VAMWorld.com and search for the 21-D "Crack Guide" you can do the forensics yourself. These are much like fingerprints. The Crack guide shows many of the 21-D varieties. I can't access VAMWorld from my work computer, otherwise I'd post the link.
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SeatedNut - thanks for the info - novice here with Morgans. Wow, what a website! I guess you'd call it a die break, then. Hopefully someone with more knowledge than me can help me out with the VAM.
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Be very careful visiting VamWorld ... it's like heroin to Morgan and Peace dollar collectors.

If possible, it would be very helpful to see pictures of the complete obverse and reverse of the coin.
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I took the liberty of moving this into the VAM section, because I'd like the VAM-centric membership to have a look at this coin.

Die cracks are hardly uncommon on 1921-D's, drdave. In fact, you'd think they're the rule rather than the exception. The Denver Mint was pushing hard to get as many as 20 million Dollars minted and quality considerations took a back seat to sheer production.

These die cracks can be considered in the same fashion as fingerprints - no two sets are exactly alike. There are certain areas on the die which were prone to cracking - so differing varieties may have very similar cracks in places - but there should always be details which allow one variety to be differentiated from the next. You just have to take *every* crack into consideration.

The coin you present here shows every sign of being a VAM-1P:

http://www.coincommunity.com/us_dol...n_dollar.asp

http://www.vamworld.com/1921-D+VAM-1P

....with one glaring exception - the cracks between the "AT" of "STATES." I've never seen one with that triangular structure.

The twin cracks to the right of the second 1, the detail around the 2, the single long crack from the first 1, all the details except that one image follow 1P closely. Other varieties have similar cracks to these, but when you add them all together 1P is the only one which has them all in one place. Even the denticle detail, where the crack from the "T" enters the denticles, is correct.

So what I'd like you to do, drdave, is confirm this to be VAM-1P using the links above. The "smoking-gun" attributes are the die break between ER of AMERICA, the die gouge in the eagle's wing, and the vertical spike in the "u" of "trust."

Yours is likely a late die state of this variety. That would explain the additional cracks at AT. However, yours presents much earlier-state cracks around the date than the example I pictured for CCF, a coin which lacks the AT cracks yours shows.

It's pretty interesting, and I'd like to pursue it further.
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SuperDave - thank you so much. I will check into it.
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 Posted 02/16/2012  5:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add drdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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So what I'd like you to do, drdave, is confirm this to be VAM-1P using the links above. The "smoking-gun" attributes are the die break between ER of AMERICA, the die gouge in the eagle's wing, and the vertical spike in the "u" of "trust."


All three of these attributes are very plainly visible. Does this confirm it to be VAM-1P? If it does, I guess the main question is it common?
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Yes, those traits will lock it for VAM-1P. It's not a rare variety, just an interesting one.
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