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I was thinking and I know it sounds outrageous, but has anyone every thought or heard rumors about TPG's swapping coins for fakes? I know their reputable and so on (NGC, PCGS, ANACS), but maybe some of the lower level ones. I mean when I research some TPG's I find many out of business. Just a thought .

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 Posted 02/16/2012  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add briank to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've had the same thought, not really about the fakes but of lesser quality coins. How does one protect themselves against that?
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Yeah, because how could you prove if someone actually switched it..
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No. Not the reputable TPGs, anyway. Far too many of their customers routinely take pictures of their coins before shipping them off (in case the coin gets lost or damaged in transit). It would be ridiculously easy to prove that a coin sent back was different to a coin sent away. It would only take one such case to be proven in court for the TPG's reputation to be ruined.

Now, two coins getting mixed up and sent back to the wrong addresses is perhaps more understandable, especially given the speed and scale of a large TPG operation. While I'm sure every precaution is taken, such mistakes cannot be entirely eliminated. In such an event, I'd imagine the TPG would act swiftly to reunite the coins with their proper owners.

For basement slabbing companies, the question is moot, since none of them were ever interested becoming a serious TPG. For the most part, they're just shady coin dealers slabbing their own coins; they never received coins as a "third party".
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I actually take pictures of (distinguishing marks are usually evident) my coins before I send them for TPG for insurance purposes.
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most of them that are considered lower than PCI you can't even send a coin to be graded. I think I remember SGS had on their website that they took submissions but I don't think anyone really ever sent them a coin for grading, but most have no way for an individual send coins in for grading even if they wanted to
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That is just one more of the fears about coins and possible scams dealing with them. Almost every day as this hobby grows, someone will come up with a way and/or method on how to cheat and deceave us all. It would be possible for a TPGS to actually switch some coins and send back a counterfeit if they wanted to. For almost any coin in really high grades it would be difficult to notice a switch by most collectors. Think about it. You could be sitting on a pile of slabs of all counterfeited coins but since in a slab, no one would know. And if all the TPGS's got together and agreed to do this, all slabbed coins could be fakes. And if they really wanted to they could make their own machinery to make the counterfeits right there at their place. They would photo your coin, make a fake just like yours, send you the fake and you would never know.
Eventually all the valuable coins in the USA would all be in vaults owned by the TPGS's. And yes, they got paid to make the fakes by you, the collector, and you will never know for sure. Some day in the future a bunch of people that used to be the TPGS's will be all sitting in rooms full of our coins. And so many of us will all be sitting in rooms full of plastic slabs with no idea of what we no longer have.
The only solution I see to all this is to get a job at a TPGS and be one of those people I discribed above.
And note that all of the above is purely due to me not having anything better to do tonight.
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