What Makes A Coin Uncirculated... And Or MS

What the mint called an "uncirculated" set from the 1960's, everyone else calls a PL (proof-like) set. True MS coins come from one place only: bank rolls of coins intended for circulation. Everything that came from any type of set is not an MS business strike coin.

Charlton has confused things with the MS-65C and MS-65NC grades, the former being a business strike, the latter being a coin from a set. ICCS has muddied the waters by calling coins MS-65 and MS-65 NBU, again for circulating and non-circulating coins, respectively. The mint itself has confused matters for years by calling sets "uncirculated", which of course they are in absolute terms, but not to be confused with uncirculated coins which originated from mint rolls (business strike coins).

As far as the second part of your question, yes absolutely. If you crack open a roll of coins anything you pull out will be an MS coin. The vast majority of uber-grade modern certified coins on ebay have been cherry-picked in this exact fashion.

CCCS for example is in alignment with the mint, calling coins from sets "UNC-65" and coins from rolls "MS-65". ICCS as mentioned uses "MS-65 NBU". PCGS commonly uses "PL-65" though generally most coins post-1975 are no longer considered to be "proof-like" in appearance, and are not labeled as such by the Canadian graders (though that can't be said with absolution, some post-1975's have been spotted marked as PL in ICCS holders).

I'd love to say there is a clear and concise answer to the question that you are asking, but the reality is that there isn't. You have to learn the terminologies applied by the different parties and how they apply them to describe different coins, from different periods, with different finishes. There will never be a consensus on the application of these terms, other than to say a business strike coin from a roll is an MS coin.

MS can be handled as long as they dont put wear on the coin. The MS Grades come from the wear and as long as you are handling the coins correctly you are not putting any wear on the coin. Here is a link that may help out:

http://www.jandm.com/grading.htm

MS is UNC.... all Americans and some Canadian sellers should seriously acknowledge that and stop calling outright crap, scratched, rim nicks, dirt, dings,... etc uncirculated!
it is a joke what can be seen as BUNC in auctiuons in the US... Some is outright an insult.. but apparently buyer do not care and trust the "reputable" auctioneer.
CG

So then 1cent what you are saying is that MS-65 NBU is from a proof set that was cracked open, am I getting that right?ship