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1959 Black Beauty?

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I have never heard of these, until I read about them in the nickel hunting thread. I realized that I had a black one myself. Not knowing if it is an actual black beauty, I've come here for the answer! Here is a zoomed in shot of the back of the nickel, to (hopefully) show the detail of the stairs. I have a few questions. Based on this one photo, do you all think it could be a black beauty? If so, what is the condition? Finally, if it is good condition, is something like this worth getting graded? I'm posting from my phone right now, so uploading a few pictures would be too difficult, but I will definitely add more, tomorrow.

Thanks for any help,

Brian

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 Posted 02/22/2012  12:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NYBrian84 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I forgot to mention that the picture was taken using flash. It is EXTREMELY dark in color.
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Yes, looks like the real deal to me. I see some environmental damage on your coin, between the CA in AMERICA and and on the top right side (as we view it) of the Jefferson memorial.

Normally, however, they sell for $5 on ebay, or $20 if they are slabbed. So, if you can spend less than $15 to get it slabbed, and it comes back problem free, then it would be worth getting it slabbed.
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That's good to hear. Where would I get it slabbed? I'm new to this hobby, so that's an area I've never even looked into.
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As I said, here are more pictures. Two with flash, and two without. The two with flash, I think, show the detail (you can see the steps on the back).

What does everyone think? Black Beauty? Worth getting slabbed, and if so? How do I go about that?

One more question, do you all think this 58-d is also one?

Thanks again!

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the 58D is definitely NOT a black beauty - it has environmental damage. True black beauties should be a higher grade (you should be able to see some steps) to be confident they are real and not damaged.

about slabbing, it usually costs about $25 to get one slabbed, unless you submit 20 or 30 coins at once and can bring your price per coin down: so, it isn't worth it.
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 Posted 02/24/2012  12:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with the 58 not being one. However
they are not all in higher grades. Some have normal
wear and some have a weak punch. The things to look for
on a genuine black beauty is first the color. It is not really black nut a deep gun metal type dark gray. Also the color is uniform on the whole coin. Edges included. The color was formed because of an annealing problem with the stock and the color goes more than just skin deep. Even with moderate wear on the coin the color stays. One really does not want to cut a deep gouge in a coin but if you did you would see the color is the same in that area. I posted a few pics. (scans) of the one I have. Unfortunately since these scans were taken the coin developed a very nice (well ?) hor. gouge in it on the reverse. It's a thin straight cut
but shows what I mentioned earlier about the color running deep. At least now I am positive about it's being genuine.
Thank you U.S.P.S. for running it through a machine


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 Posted 02/24/2012  01:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NYBrian84 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Now I'm more unsure than ever! Haha. My '59 doesn't look like environmental damage (except for above the house). My '58, though, I would definitely agree, does look like environmental damage.

Here are two pictures of my '59 from the edge, the first definitely shows a more accurate representation of the coin, if I had to choose which looks more like it in person. The color if still off, though.

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Thanks, again, for everyone's help!
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 Posted 02/24/2012  10:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would say no to the 59.
Even if the color was darker you can see
the mottled look to it. The outside edge on a beauty
is actually the darkest area on the coin.
Really nothing to loose here on the 59 so try a light
rub on one spot on the outer edge. I think you will see
what happens.
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 Posted 02/24/2012  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NYBrian84 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I took some real fine sand paper to the edge, and it shined up nicely. :(

Oh well!

Thanks for everyone's help!
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