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First Pictures With The New Jansjo Lamps (Allot Of Pictures)

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Ray, I've sent you Bryan's original. I suspect there might be a little light bleed from the monitor; we'll await Bryan's input as far as that goes.

One theory that sticks in my mind is these huge pixel counts are resolving such detail that the microscopic imperfections in the surfaces are actually able to reflect slightly different parts of the spectrum back to the lens. If this were the case, though, you should be seeing it as well with your T2i.
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I am trying to send them again, this time I am sending them one at a time. So what settings should I be using on the camera? F8, F4,F2.4?
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BTW, my lens comparison will have to wait a few days, because someone was ditzy enough not to consider that the Schneider was a Leica M39 thread, and didn't order an M42 adapter.
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Bryan, f/8 will be the sweet spot with that lens. Keep ISO to 200 or slower - not that you can't work at ISO400 or 800, but they might magnify the chroma noise - and let the exposures fall where they may to give you a result you like. It's my opinion that you're slightly overexposing, but this is a subjective opinion.

Any possibility of the monitor accidentally throwing light onto the coin? It's a potential problem for me which I'm going to address.
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Bryan...Got your images. I'm heading out for the rest of the day so will take a look at them for processing the jpgs later tonight. I asked for the bigger apertures for sharpness debugging. For Dollars, f8 should be your target aperture. The f4 and f2.8 shots were to see if you were having focus, DOF, diffraction problems, not as a suggested aperture for taking photos.

SuperDave...Agreed on the fine detail causing the issue. This is the "local contrast" I've been referring to. It is down to the grain structure of the metals almost. Also, you may not know it but I included a M39-M42 "helicoil" type adapter with the 75ARD1. It makes the lens "look" like an M42 but it's M39. You should be able to remove it and use it on other M39's...Ray
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Also, you may not know it but I included a M39-M42 "helicoil" type adapter with the 75ARD1. It makes the lens "look" like an M42 but it's M39. You should be able to remove it and use it on other M39's...Ray




No, I never realized the 75ARD was M39. All I have to do now is figure out how to get the helicoil loose.

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the monitor is about 18 inches off the top of the desk and about 36 inches from where the coin is but I don't know if it could be throwing light on it or not to be honest
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It's possible, but not a dealbreaker. It takes serious pixel-peeping to see the color difference, and the particular image you sent was the most-likely to show that. Any chance of maybe standing a book on end in the right spot, or something?

Don't forget here, with your equipment we're working to squeeze out that last 2% of what's physically possible, because we can.
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yeah I will set everything up and take another picture and since I know I can now I will send the raw picture. I will set the camera up like I had it at first (which is the settings you told me was the sweet spot)

Edit: Dave I sent you a raw format picture, I stood a book up between the coin and the monitor. I guess I may need to mention I have a huge picture window about 4 feet away from where I am sitting the coin to take the photos which may be what you are seeing
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OK. The first two are straight-up RAW conversions with no correction applied. The second two are at the Sharpness 3 and with the chroma noise removed. Both sets had Levels adjusted to 75% in the Gimp, and no other correction applied. Adding contrast didn't work for the RAW images, which already had enough contrast. Reduced to 25%, and a 100% crop of full-size.

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On my color-calibrated Dell U2410, they're slightly yellow. You can only see the difference in sharpness with the 100% crop.

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OK, I'm back and checked out the original image 1. Bryan, you are definitely over-exposing, and your camera is compressing dynamic range a bit because of it. In ViewNX2 I had to adjust brightness down significantly (-22), until I started to see lost shadows around coin highlights. I compensated with some gamma correction (Nikon calls it "shadow protection" in ViewNX2). I saw some lost sharpness on 4x downconversion so added a sharpness "1" to compensate. The result is not as good as SuperDave was able to do with RAW processing, but it was simpler and you don't need to learn GIMP...Ray

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Ray, I think your result is clearly better for contrast, but suffers from a sharpness standpoint - it's become obvious that sharpening was applied. I believe I reduced Levels too much, and it's time to consider gamma as an alternate correction.
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Here's the same workflow with no sharpening...Ray

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ok how do I fix the over exposing? I have no idea what to do with these SLR cameras. I am not a photographer and I went from a 3.3MP point and shoot to this thing and I am totally out of my element with all these different settings that can be changed to make the picture look different. Should I change the metering to something else or should this be done some other way
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I prefer spot or partial metering with aperture priority mode. Most of your exposure problems will be gone, though you will still need to do some levels adjustment, just fewer and they'll be more effective...Ray
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