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Small And Light Japan Kan'ei Tsuho Coin

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I have about 100 of these Japanese Kan'ei Tsuho coins, both 1 mon and 4 mon and both early and late issues.

The normal 1 mon size of the later type is to the left 22.3 mm (typically 22-24mm in diameter), about 1.0mm thick and weighing 2.82 grams (typically 2.5 to 3.5 grams).

The one on the right also the later type measures 19.2mm diameter, 0.6mm thick and weighs 1.0 grams. I have checked the Krause books for 1600 through 1900 and find no mention of a fractional mon.

Anyone have any idea what this is? Maybe a contemporary counterfeit but the size and weigh makes it stand out dramatically compared to the regular issue?

Thanks

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I have the Krause 1901-2000 but I can not see the markings good enough to help you. I do a pretty good identifying them usually, but I usually start with the side that has 2 markings...... and I can not see yours. Someone should come along that can help you soon.



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Some of the official mints struck coins which were smaller than other issues. They did not necessarily have mintmarks on them. This type of variety does not show up in Krause. I will try to hunt up some specific information for you later tonight.
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Vietnamese merchants also made small "trade copies" of various old Chinese and Japanese coin designs. Given the small size and poor quality casting, I would assume this coin to be just such a trade copy. Zeno.ru has a whole page of them.
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I disagree with it being a Vietnamese copy- these typically will have thin, raised lines to the characters, and thin planchets, of a different, distinctive metal. In my reference it is closest, but not exactly like the Edo Kameido(Tokyo) issues of 1707- they were very small in size- the protruding bottoms of the boxes of both the top and left characters, the angle back of the top character at the right, plus the almost straight vertical section of the part of the right character closest to the rim lead me in this direction. I need to look up another reference, but I would not be surprised if this is close, as there are no others that are similar in styles or writing, although a few do have the left protruding bottoms on both characters. The book I am using is by Robert Michael Jones- An Attribution Guide to Shin Kan Ei Tsu Ho, 1984. It lists 202 varoieties of these pieces, plus another 50 varieties of the Wave cash.
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