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Hi everyone, I was about to buy this 1916d but wondering if you all think it looks fake or real? Thanks!  
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Welcome to Coin Community, sonicty28.
Quite frankly, I would not touch a raw 1916-D unless it was coming from a dealer of wide reputation with that specific issue - there are too many fakes on the market, and the coin is too valuable.
There are 4 known mint mark locations for 1916-D. This one *could* be what's referred to as location #4, but I think it's a bit low. Added to which, there's enough missing detail in and amongst the leaves to make me think it's a cast fake.
Keep in mind, in this condition even an example which has been cleaned - this one shows obvious brush marks - it's still a $5000 coin. I, for one, would not risk $5000 on an unauthenticated coin.
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I am no expert, but the D doesn't look quite right to me.
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Thanks for the quick response, I wouldn't be paying that much as the guy doesn't know too much about the coins he inherited but I obviously don't want to get duped either. Here is another picture. 
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Do you think you could get a closeup of the date, and a clearer photo of the front of the coin (what we call the obverse) would be helpful.
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It's been harshly cleaned or polished, and it's also a 100% fake. The style of mintmark is not even close to the style used in 1916. In fact, the whole reverse is not a match for 1916. I think it's a 1916 obverse paired with a late date reverse.
Edited by CaptainFwiffo 03/17/2012 1:41 pm
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I've circled the areas where I believe the detail to show the mushiness of a cast fake:  Quote: I wouldn't be paying that much as the guy doesn't know too much about the coins he inherited That is a morally-ambiguous statement which won't make you many friends around here. If this is a genuine coin, the owner deserves a realistic return on it.
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Quote: I think it's a 1916 obverse paired with a late date reverse.
Or this.
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New Member
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I cant get a closeup but he sent this before. He was the one offering me the lower price, I wasn't trying to scam him, I think for an ungraded coin its not worth paying someone full value. Thanks for all the advice though, I thought the mint mark looked okay and I'm not sure about the brush detail as you mentioned. I'm trying to look at a 1916s I have for comparison but I don't have any 1916 coins in that kind of condition.  
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I just got these from him too if it helps.  
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The coins in the last post don't even look to be the same coin as pictured above.
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Same reverse - you can tell by the bottom of the mashed E in ONE.
Edited by mackwork 03/17/2012 2:48 pm
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Here's an image I prepared a while back that compares a closeup of a 1916 reverse compared to a late-date reverse.  The master hub was apparently damaged after 1925, and all dimes dated 1926 and later lack this central detail. A minority prior to that date are missing it to, because the dies were polished by mint workers, but the 1916-D dies did not get used for long and never suffered this defect.
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3 red flags I've noticed:
1) The missing details on the reverse that SuperDave and CaptainFwiffo have pointed out. 2) The graininess of the strike on the fasces. 3) I think I'm also seeing graininess on the obverse, too.
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