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 Posted 07/30/2013  10:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add publius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do not believe in the existence of a cupronickel 1964 Bermuda crown. The alloy used was something like 500 silver, 400 copper, 50 nickel, 50 zinc, & under bad conditions of toning can look like cupronickel, as I have had occasion to observe with any number of world coins struck in a similar alloy.
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 Posted 07/31/2013  03:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mvojnovic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I'm just bumping this old thread because the OP asked about it again in another more recent thread.

Mvojnovic, I'm fairly certain that official cupronickel versions of this coin do not exist. I can't find anyone on the Internet, apart from sel, claiming to own one or offer one for sale. Your coin is either a genuine silver coin, or a fake. Right now I'm leaning toward genuine, but damaged.

The "damage" is curious, as it looks in your picture almost like an altered image, rather than actual damage. Can we have a closeup of the damaged area, please? And, if possible, a closeup of the side of the coin at the damaged point.

If I had to guess a cause as to how damage like this might occur on a genuine coin, I would assume it had been attached or mounted onto something which has later been removed.


Ok thanks for reply sap. I will post pictures this weekend when I get home.
Damage is really strange looking, it doesn't look to me like its been attached but rather like if the coin is plated and than piece of this plateing is torn of and under you can see copper color.
Thanks again.
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One thing to remember is that low-fineness silver coins are typically "blanched" at the mint. In other words, they are boiled in a solution of sulphuric acid, which washes away the base metal from the surface, leaving a porous crust of silver. When struck between the dies, this crust is packed down, leaving a very silvery surface. Wear will then expose the under-layer, which is more reddish (if the alloy is copper) or yellowish (if it is copper-nickel-zinc). If what you have is a lamination error, in which a small part of this surface layer broke off before striking, that might account for the appearance â€" but, please, do post better images!
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Here is picture of damaged place without metal piece that come of, and as you can see it has copper color.
Sorry but I cant post better pic then this. Hope it helps.

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One thing to remember is that low-fineness silver coins are typically "blanched" at the mint. In other words, they are boiled in a solution of sulphuric acid, which washes away the base metal from the surface, leaving a porous crust of silver. When struck between the dies, this crust is packed down, leaving a very silvery surface. Wear will then expose the under-layer, which is more reddish (if the alloy is copper) or yellowish (if it is copper-nickel-zinc). If what you have is a lamination error, in which a small part of this surface layer broke off before striking, that might account for the appearance -- but, please, do post better images!


Looks like you are right according on what I saw on coin. So its real then? anyway I put in collection from fake pile
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