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Krause km#14. Coin should be 0.5000 silver, but I have reason to believe that mine is fake. Coin has 22.52 grams.
If you look at pic you can see some metal irregularity around letter A in FATA below coat of arms.
Is this just nickel plated fake coin?
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Despite what Krause says, I think I have seen both cupronickel and .500 silver versions of these. I have one in cupronickel. I have had it in my collection for over 30 years.

I have never been particularly excited about the fact that it is not listed in Krause in cupronickel. Mine looks like a good coin to me, nicely struck up, in uncirculated condition. If my memory serves me correctly, I got mine out of a dealer's junk box. The weight of the coin pictured is the same as mine.

Nevertheless, BECAUSE it is not listed in Krause in cupronickel, it may be a fair question to ask.


The coin pictured may have suffered some mint or post mint damage. What does the edge of the coin look like?
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Edge of the coin is redded. Same color as rest of the coin. The damage near letter A looks like a little bit of nickel plate got extracted and below it coin has dark copper look.
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well where did you get it and how much did you pay? If you paid cupro-nickel price, you shouldn't be too disappointed. I have a beautiful Bahamas conch shell design dollar that comes in silver and copper-nickel and frankly I'm not sure which mine is. (I bought it at a coin/gift shop in Nassau, Bahamas). I guess it matters if you want to sell it but not so much if you plan to keep it.

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I bought mine on coin show few years ago. And I pay silver price for it.
Coin was in 2x2 and when I got home and took it out I saw that I have been scammed.
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Btw your coin is beautiful. Post pic of other side.

PS You should find a plastic box for that coin. I think its proof, or it was proof.
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It was proof, but it is not fingerprint proof ;)
Nevertheless, it looks beautiful.
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mvojnovic, I think your coin is the real .500 silver coin. It is only 0.1 grams underweight, which is absolutely acceptable for any coin. As for the damage, I am not sure if it post mint or not, but remember that 50% (a rather large amount) of the coin is made of copper and probably some nickel, so it can have some strange non-silver coloring.
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Im really confused now
I dont know what to think....
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I'm 100% sure it's real. Unless someone had a LOT of free time on their hands, I don't think they would make dies with exact same design and a copy with the exact (0.1g doesn't matter) same weight as a real one. If it was rare, I would probably be in doubt, but this coin is quite common.

Trust me, it's real.
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Ok thanks Apollo, but as sel_69l said there are silver ones and nickel-copper ones. The question is know is this one silver?
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My coin certainly looks to be copper nickel, but from the aforegoing discussion, that may very well NOT be the case. The only way to find out for sure is to do a ring test in comparison with another Bermuda Crown.

I must admit, I was never particularly excited about the prospect of having an unusual coin.

These coins are common enough, it should not be too hard to locate another one for comparison. I will take my coin to a long time coin dealer buddy of mine to find out.
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ok, thanks sel_69l.
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I'm just bumping this old thread because the OP asked about it again in another more recent thread.

Mvojnovic, I'm fairly certain that official cupronickel versions of this coin do not exist. I can't find anyone on the Internet, apart from sel, claiming to own one or offer one for sale. Your coin is either a genuine silver coin, or a fake. Right now I'm leaning toward genuine, but damaged.

The "damage" is curious, as it looks in your picture almost like an altered image, rather than actual damage. Can we have a closeup of the damaged area, please? And, if possible, a closeup of the side of the coin at the damaged point.

If I had to guess a cause as to how damage like this might occur on a genuine coin, I would assume it had been attached or mounted onto something which has later been removed.
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i have a fair number of .500 UK coins that I would never guess had any silver content at all if it weren't for krause. they show the same "cupro-nickel" characteristics as yours.

I'm no metalurgist but is it not possible to have a poorly mixed alloy similiar to woody pennies etc?
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I'm always going through junk bins, and I've found cupronickel that looks like silver and silver that looks like cupronickel (mostly the former...). It's amazing how diverse the toning you'll find is - although the biggest giveaway is that silver is just plain lighter than cupronickel. But if it's toned - then you have to start using your brain...
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