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So this may not be the spot for an ancient coin of this nature, but it is silver I am assuming an no doubt one of you will be able to clarify that for me. And I always enjoy the insight of most who surf an post in this section of the forum....

Highly doubt I will be bidding on this piece, as it has hit 300 already, and no doubt a great looking coin this old with that great color is gonna bring some big money....

I rarely search old ancient coins, and simply spotted this one in my typical search for graded coins with nice tone an color....

The coin shop in which I don't work at but do shop at from time to time (recent pickup an old 1783 El Cazador shipwreck coin in great condition VF-30) the other side of town has some coins like this priced high an graded in the Roman form, but way less then what they are bringing in a larger audience like ebay. I may add some as cash allows....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/32087698319....m1438.l2649

By the way as far as toning goes like this seller "Great toning" and the other seller who Canadian bank notes turned me on to Kryptonite comics seem to be the two elite sellers of these coins I'm novice O, or at least that I have found thus far....

Top notch pictures an coins, great high grades an color. And both have ridiculous audiences, as I can't get a lead on a bid rarely with either of the two. You see a coin with one bid, and it is always way higher then most will go, bully bids I call them as to scare away the smaller bidders perhaps....
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If you want to get an idea of the ancient coin market, have a look at the 'VCOINS' site. The type toning that you refer to does not figure prominently with ancient silver coins, but patination can have a part to play in the value.

There are some value factors which can apply to ancients, which are not relevent to modern coins.
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Toning may add to eye appeal, but in the case of ancients, all colored toning is simply the result of a cleaning re-toning over time. Eventually, the toning will turn gray as the layer can no longer scatter colored light.
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I imagine that these old coins have been cleaned an polished many times over the centuries. Once they became a hundred plus years old or so they probably then had defined clear value beyond face even way back then say around 200 A.D.. And probably have been traded an bartered across the sands of time for eons. Imagine the stories they could tell if they could talk....

Very interesting insight thanks guys! And even if that toning does fade away in time, I bet I will long since be dead an forgotten by then. So the lucky winner of this great piece can enjoy crossing paths with this ancient relic at this point in time when it is as beautiful as it probably will ever be IMO.....
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I don't know much about ancient coins but this one sure looks as if it is in great condition.

Hey, maybe this coin was one of the 30 pieces of silver that Judas collected for his dirty-work?
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I am with you Ed on little to ZERO ancient coin knowledge, but most of the few I have investigated thus far were not in as nice of condition as this one. Often they are covered in green patina, and little to zero image definition still present on the obverse or reverse of the coin. And as it should be one would figure for anything that is around two thousand years old....
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Once they became a hundred plus years old or so they probably then had defined clear value beyond face even way back then say around 200 A.D.. And probably have been traded an bartered across the sands of time for eons. Imagine the stories they could tell if they could talk....
If only coins could talk! Just like our recent coins, they probably circulated until monetary changes or bad economic times hit and coinage was devalued, prompting hoarding and melting. I don't know if ancient coin collectors existed. Most ancient coins surviving today were dug up fairly recently, forgotten for milennia.
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If only coins could talk: That is why I acquired a humble Widow's Mite many years ago. To my way of thinking, this humble coin appeals to me more than an example of a silver tetradrachm of the type that was paid to Judas.
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Interesting to think about DVcollector and you are probably right, if there were so called ancient collectors of old antiquities an coins an such, it was probably in the highest of classes in the most elite of the royal blood in very small numbers I would think....

I recall a story of Julius Caesar standing before a Statue of Alexander the Great an he wept as he was then 25 years old an had conquered nothing to that point and Alexander the great had conquered the world....

This is a fine example of the ancient world having yet respect for their history, as man has been civilized for way longer then modern science figures in my estimation. An new finds today have backed that up....

The mountain ax man from like 5000 B.C. had many technologies an tools on his person that few scientists would have believed before that find....

I also feel in the ancient market places going way back into the pre B.C., you would have had dealers of old antiquities and perhaps old coins from an empire who once rained supreme but now had faded away like the Persian or Carthaginian empires....

But alas in the end like you said DV collector that empire that perhaps dealt in those items eventually faded away and was lost again in the sands of time, as these coins would have been buried an forgotten. In fact being preserved for a later civilization to find them.....

For a rare coin like that to survive all that time say two thousand years, it would have to be protected in some old organization like the Knights Templar or something, and past on from generation to generation an protected along the way.....

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Very interesting post. Thanks for sharing.
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Silverhawk74: It seems to me that you may have at least some passing interest for things ancient. Knowing of your established interest in bullion silver, perhaps it may be a good idea to acquire a token ancient silver coin as well.

Even the Hunt Brothers did that! Theirs was a silver decadrachm (10 drams) of Athens. That particular coin later sold for $10 million.

If that is the case, I would suggest getting an antoninianus (double denarius) of the Roman Emperor Gordian 111. Silver coins of this Emperor are easy to obtain in attractive condition, for not much money. Perhaps around $50 to $100 for a nice one. Do a search on the 'VCOINS' website, under 'Gordian antoninianus', to get an idea of what the market is offering for this type of coin.
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Thanks Sel that is great advice and I found some of those on ebay going way higher in cost of course....

I have a local shop I swing by often as well who has many smaller name Emperors from the later less attractive years so to speak, which like you said can be found for a relatively cheap price I plan in looking into....



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This one here is what you speak I think an at 70 total shipped an all slabbed one not be too shabby of a price I would think. This particular one below is a nice looking coin.....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Roman-Gordi...em2c61ae7eaf
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A reasonably attractive coin.
One thing to look for with ancients is for legends and devices to be fully struck up on a full flan. This one fits the bill.
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Nicely struck coin--I like that one!

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The mountain ax man from like 5000 B.C. had many technologies and tools on his person that few scientists would have believed before that find...

Do you mean 5,300 year-old Ã-tzi the Iceman? What is really remarkable about that discovery is the preservation of the body and the completeness of his clothing and tools. It sure is an interesting reconstruction of his appearance and life in "copper age" Europe.
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That is exactly what I was speaking of DV....

Another very interesting thing to note is he had like ancient stick style tattooing aligned PERFECTLY with the modern day acupuncture chart. And he also had some mushrooms on his person of this day that the hippies enjoy, and I am sure it was more used then for medicinal purposes....
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