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1987 D . . . . Steelhead?

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 Posted 05/01/2012  02:43 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ninamason to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all,

Picked up an interesting find today at work. My camera works best in natural light (I can't photograph coins with it at night for a hill of beans), so if pictures are necessary I'd have to post them tomorrow, but mostly I'm wondering "what on earth?"

I found a 1987D penny in my drawer at work today that looks exactly like my 1943 pennies, except dull all over. Part of the word "STATES" on the reverse is also missing (the ES fades out from the top of the letters on downward), which looks like a grease error to me, but on the whole, it's in pretty good condition--all of Lincoln's facial features are still there, all of the other lettering is still clear, etc. There's one tiny chip/pit in the rim, and that's it. If it were a normal looking coin, I'd probably grade it fine or almost fine; discounting the pit in the rim (which I have never seen on a copper-sheathed coin), I'd say XF, maybe AU if you wanted to be generous (is there a grade between those two?).


Is this a coin missing its copper? And if so, what do I do with it--stick it in a flip like most of my coins, go rent a safe-deposit box, throw it back in my drawer at work to buy something better?
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 Posted 05/01/2012  02:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If the surface is rough or flat in color it was probably a stripped planchet or over plated with zinc. Youtube tells how to do this. It might look like this?
1987-D-.-.-.-.-Steelhead?
If it were an unplated planchet the surface would be smoothe and show catwheels on the surface. It it was plated it would look like this one:
1987-D-.-.-.-.-Steelhead?
Hope this helps?

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05/01/2012 3:44 pm
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Beans! There's no cartwheel, but I also don't usually see cartwheel on regular 1987s when they wander through my hands, and there are portions of the coin that are lighter (i.e, less worn?), mostly on the bottom of Lincoln's jacket and on the rim of the coin; think of when you see a penny from the 1970s that's toned, but the rim and date still stand out in almost the original copper colour. I also don't see any copper (with the naked eye--I have a 3x magnifier, but not available to me at this moment), though.

This is probably going to require waiting til morning for pictures and magnification, isn't it?
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 Posted 05/01/2012  02:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tatt2ed13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Photos would be best , But I agree with Coop 100% ... Best answer anyone could have gave ..

But of course Photos wouldnt hurt ..

Gona keep an eye on this one curious what it looks like , I've seen a few like you describe and COOP nailed It MHO ...

Phil \m/
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 Posted 05/01/2012  06:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lucleus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a few myself.

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coop-

I'm guessing accumation is a typo, but of what?
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 Posted 05/02/2012  02:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add phazon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
accumilation like the stock piling of something? lol had 2 throw my 2 cents in.
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I had in mind the accumulation of gas bubbles, so I changed it to read orangerind. The faked image I placed first you can see the zinc or gray color OVER the first plating of copper and gas bubbles. On an unplated planchet this would not happen.
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In new and wonderful developments, I got some decent pictures and now can't find my camera cord. -_- This could take a couple of days.


Looking at the new pictures posted, though, the one I found doesn't look like lucleus' coin--mine is more of a silvery colour than that.
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Check dollar tree, they have all sorts of generic cords.
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It should be around here somewhere. I was using it the other day when I posted those Morgan pictures. But if it doesn't turn up on my day off, I'll head over to Walmart.


In the meantime, a question: Am I going to need to dig out my loupe, etc. for this? On the surface I don't see any of the signs from the first post that it's fake, but I haven't gotten it under more than 3x magnification yet.
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Ugh! Found the cord thanks to my mom: "This is your camera cord? No wonder my Kindle wouldn't charge!"


Keep on rockin' in the free world, Mom.


Meanwhile, I'm getting the pics off my camera--will have them up in a few minutes.


ETA: Out of 27 pictures, not one came out unblurred. Anybody have any suggestions?
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Make sure you use a tripod. Don't try to hold the camera.
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I've taken 20-30 thousand without a tripod. But most of these were taken through a microscope. The macro images of full images come out great as well.
https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...5_1921_4.jpg
https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...5_1921_5.jpg
Just ake a deep breath and then click the image not moving. Unless you have an unsteady hand.
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Until I'm able to afford the right equipment I've been using the top of a fodgers bottle that I cut. Set the timer for 2 sec and snap picture. Lighting is tricky, but it works. Hopefully it helps. Even if it's just laughter.

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I would place a dark piece of fabric over the cardboard. That will help to cut glare. Also you could take a plastic grocery bag and tape if to the plastic bottle (probably inside would be best) to cut glare from a strong light. If you needed to remove a directional light so you only have one light source you might us a facial tissue with tape to hold the kleenex in place to block the unwanted light source. (Sometimes room light, sun light from a window or glare. This will block it to keep it out.
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