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 GALLIENVSAVG - Head right with radiate crown. LIBERO.P.CONSAVG - Tigress walking left. B in exergue. I don't know for sure if this is the Tigress type or the Panther type. It does have dots by the P on the reverse legend and you can faintly see what might be stripes. It is a nice strike though. If the B in the exergue is the officina mark, how do you tell if this coin is from Rome or Siscia? Why do Gallienus coins of the 'Zoo' types have this strange style of making letters in the legends. The R on the reverse of this one looks like an H. N's always look like three I's. A and V often look like two I's. Was this something that was in style at the time? Or did the same engraver make them all? Or did someone higher up tell the engravers 'make your letters like this'? Or maybe none of the above? http://www.lunalucifera.com/Zoo/liber.html
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I don't think I can answer your questions. However, I was wondering how you determined this to be the tigress and not the panther. I was looking at my "panther" and can see no discernible difference (except that yours is in better condition).  |
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awesome coin => gotta love the big-cat reverse!!  |
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Way better than my panther coin. Very nice coin  |
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That's a great coin! Someone really worked on Gallienus' hair! |
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I was wondering how you determined this to be the tigress and not the panther. JW, I don't really know that it is a Tigress for sure, but on the site I linked to there is some info about the differences. I made caparisons and saw the dots around the P and thought I saw stripes, so I thought I'd bring the subject up. I don't know what RIC has to say. Edited by Doucet
05/08/2012 12:40 am
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Styles can be attributed to the times, but they can be a useful tool in identifying a particular mint. You would need a collection of coins of Gallienus of the size that would be found in a museum, to identify the various mints by style. No doubt a photographic record would be produced as a by product of such a study.
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I am no great expert in Gallienus but I'll need to see something to convince me that this cat is not a panther due to the legend. The panther was a sacred attribute of the god Liber so any coin showing a cat with a LIBERO legend makes me think panther. Can someone produce evidence of the amount of tiger contact that the Romans had?
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Whatever it is, that's a cool cat!
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Beautiful strike Doucet! I started collecting the 'Zoo' series and the this is one that I want to own one of these days. I was under the assumption that it was a panther as well. But I am probably the least experienced on these reverses. Very nice though.
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I believe Dougsmit makes a strong point . The only reference I could find that seemed to have a basis in actual Roman history is here. It concludes that Tigers were a relative rarity in ancient Rome. http://books.google.com/books?id=Bi...rome&f=false And then there is also this about a Tigress. Maybe this is where the Tigress idea came from, I don't know. Either way I won't lose any sleep over it. Exact attributions are not all that important to me. I still enjoy my coins even when some things remain a mystery, but it's fun trying to figure things out. Thanks for the comments. http://www.britishmuseum.org/explor...tigress.aspx |
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Tigers are an Indian animal. Lions were to be found in North Africa and the Middle East during Roman times. It was probably the Romans who were responsible for the extinction of them in the Roman World. Lions were killed during gladiatorial contests.
In many ways, the Romans were not nice people. Doesn't stop me from collecting their coins, though.
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the Romans were not nice people The Romans were the product of their time and, in my estimation, a very progressive society. Especially when compared to the barbarians to the North and the Northeast of Rome, and the debauch tyrants of the East and Southeast of Rome. |
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For $25, I just joined the ranks of "panther owner"!! LIBERO P CONS AVG (Panther) 2.03 grams   => Go Panthers, Goooo! |
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Well, Jerry, you have quite a nice panther there, and only $25. Not bad at all.
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Posted 05/07/2012 10:10 pm
