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Gallienus Zoo Coin Question

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 Posted 05/16/2012  4:10 pm Show Profile   Check robbudo's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add robbudo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi again. I bought my nephew a couple of the Gallienus zoo coins in the past year and he asked a question about them that I couldn't answer. I was hoping someone here could answer.

"what could you have bought with one of the coins?"
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 Posted 05/16/2012  5:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure if this answers your question:


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The table laid out below, compares the relative values of the early denominations. Beneath that is a list of prices that are documented in the historical sources.

Values

aureus denarius sestertius dupondius as semis quadrans
aureus 1 25 100 200 400 800 1600
denarius - 1 4 8 16 32 64
sestertius - - 1 2 4 8 16
dupondius - - - 1 2 4 8
as - - - - 1 2 4
semis - - - - - 1 2
quadrans - - - - - - 1
What could you get for your money?

Value of the historian Pliny's estate:5,000,000 denarii
Membership of the Senatorial class: 250,000 denarii
Membership of the Equestrian class: 100,000 denarii
Cost of staging 3 - 4 days public games: 25 50,000 denarii
Cost of a slave boy: 600 denarii
Annual pay of Roman legionary: 300 denarii
Overcoat: 13 denarii
Cloak: 5 denarii and 2 asses
Daily pay of labourer: up to 1 denarius
Loaf of bread: 2 asses
Half litre of wine: 1 as
Wax and stylus for writing: 1 semis
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 Posted 05/16/2012  5:35 pm  Show Profile   Check robbudo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add robbudo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That begins to answer my question. As an example, the coin here http://www.forumancientcoins.com/mo...nus_026.html is worth how much on that chart?

thanks!
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 Posted 05/16/2012  7:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's my understanding that the Antoninianus or Double Denarius was suppose to be worth , well, double that of the Denarius. But the continued debasement of Roman coinage just meant that the cost of goods continuously increased, much like inflation today. Or more accurately, when a government (say the U.S.) prints more money to cover the costs of it's debts, that money can actually have less buying power. Thus it was in Rome. I have been unable to find a chart to say what the items in the above chart cost under Gallienus, but it is safe to assume everything cost more. Perhaps someone else can find a cost comparison for that period of time.

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 Posted 05/16/2012  8:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gradual debasement of the Roman coinage can be traced over 300 years from the start of the Empire under Augustus.

A visual survey of the debasement can be made just by displaying a coin from the Empire with a time interval of about every 20 years or so, in a line, which can be punctuated with each major coin development, such as the dissapearance of the quadrans, the as, the denarius, or the reduction in size of the sestertius before it dissapeared.

The same fate happened to the antoninianus after it's introduction.

I have seen noted by scholars of Roman coinage that the average rate of inflation in the early Empire was around 2%, by the time of the introduction of the antoninianus, was around 4%, and later on, got out of control to over 8%, when the Legions were no longer able the defend the borders of the Empire.
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 Posted 05/16/2012  10:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's actually pretty interesting ...

So, if an antoninianus is worth twice that of a denarius ... and a denarius is basically worth a typical days wages for a labourer (so lets say 8 hours x $15/hour in today's wages x 2 for an antoninianus = approx $240)

=> so in today's worth => it's probably pretty close to 200 or 300 hundred bucks!! (that's a nice coin) ...

2 days wages for a labourer => so that coin could probably buy you the labour to build a nice fence, or dig a fairly substantial ditch .... interesting, eh?
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 Posted 05/16/2012  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tzarmarko to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So two "asses" could get you two loves of bread?
Sorry, could'nt help it.
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 Posted 05/16/2012  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually, the pronunciation in the Australian accent is bit different, and not quite so hillarious.
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 Posted 05/16/2012  10:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tzarmarko to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
True, I believe. But if a different American saw it their reaction would be worse than mine. ;)
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 Posted 05/16/2012  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i giggled a bit at the "asses"....

thanks for the table, I had been curious about what I could
actually purchase with my coins back in the day.
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 Posted 05/16/2012  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmmmm? ... so they used to get paid in asses, eh?

=> well, in my mind, not all asses are equal in value!!

so I betcha any money, I would have been an assesser!!

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05/16/2012 10:42 pm
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so romans would literally bet their asses when they made wagers? LOL! sorry couldn't resist.
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