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Japanese Issues For Netherlands Indies And Oceania

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 Posted 05/19/2012  11:21 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add xavierz27 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Two questions from studying various examples of these notes:

Has anyone else noticed that there appears to be two versions of the Dai Nippon, 1 Satoe Roepiah? The second version that I have found has a larger front and back 'plate', and is overall a larger note. Has a heavier printed block serial, and the back plate is poorer quality, thicker lines with stubbed pinnacles of the border design. Is definately old (not a modern copy)? Perhaps a printing at a different site due to the war, or a period forgery?

The other question is with the Oceania 1 Pound. I've identified three versions: the 'standard' (?) version, and a slightly larger version with paler printing and the block letters positioned low (almost in line with 'The'). The third version is the most unusual - it at first appears identical to the standard note however the block letters on examination are much thicker and closer together, and there are quirks in the printing such as the lines of the coconuts on the right hand palm tree have various differences. The note has the usual watermarking etc. Perhaps it's an Allied forgery of some kind, though the only period forgeries/fakes that I'm aware of are the obvious (Australian)replicas?

I've added a image of the mentioned quirks of the Oceania pounds.

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 Posted 05/19/2012  11:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have read that forgeries of these exist, but I don't know of any documented details.
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 Posted 05/20/2012  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
there have been several previous threads on CCF, touching on JIM. I always follow them with interest.
If I recall correctly, SAP has contributed a fair bit to those threads.

There were several series, each in a different surrency unit (rupee, peso, etc), and each series was intended for use in a different region.
As I recall, some series are now much less common than some others.
And, some serial numbers contained some "coding" in the letters.

When I was a boy, most coin shops in Melbourne had these displayed in their window, and a "set" (several denominations, in the one currency) of uncirculated notes was extremely inexpensive. I wish I'd picked some up. I suppose, when supplies ran out, someone might have been tempted to fill the void ?

Consider regions like NEI or the Phillipines: each has a large population, and was occupied for three years. Large quantities were required, and would have been consumed in circulation, so the supplies would have to be refreshed. Perhaps some were printed locally, rather than wait for resupply from Japan.
And the possibility of forgery exists.

I look forward to further posts on this thread.
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 Posted 05/21/2012  12:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would assume first that it was simply part of the "natural" variability with these notes. They were printed in a hurry, using whatever printer, ink and paper supplies were cheapest - the Japanese overlords would have seen no point in wasting the good stuff on inferior folks. You can therefore expect considerable variation in the paper colour and quality, ink quality and printing quality of JIM notes.

It's also possible that they're Allied counterfeits, or post-war replicas. If they could be shown to be definitely non-genuine, I'd assume post-war replica rather than wartime counterfeit, especially if all the notes of that type were nice and new rather than circulated, though most postwar fantasies are garishly-coloured.
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 Posted 05/21/2012  6:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lettow to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tony James has an article in the latest IBNS Journal regarding documentation of Australian counterfeiting of NEI JIM but only through the 1/2 guilder and not the later series. It does not provide any diagnostics for determining the counterfeits but does show these notes were counterfeited. Perhaps the later ones were also. He indicates that he expects to do more thorough research on the subject now that these documents have come to light.
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 Posted 05/27/2012  11:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xavierz27 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all for the replies.

As Sap points out, these notes were produced on the 'cheap' so its not easy to determine what is a true variant, a period forgery, or just a product of sloppy printing methods.

I have noticed that most of the Japanese Occupation notes seem to come in at least 2 plate sizes, usually with a 2mm difference between them. Assumedly to do with the methods of printing and in some cases from being printed in different locations - the earlier produced in Japan, and the later more 'locally' (in later years many seem to have been printed in Jakarta). There are some odd examples; I have two 'vijf' (5) cent notes of the Netherlands Indies with block SH. One is fairly well printed; the other is smaller, different in tone and with clumsy block letters. Again: just variable printing or a, possibly Australian, forgery?

I'm adding some pics of the two 'SH' notes and, the back of a Malaya $5 I found recently which is a good example of the poor production quality; it has a partial finger print of the purple color from the front of the note.

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 Posted 05/27/2012  11:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xavierz27 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Following from my opening post:

The two versions of the Dai Nippon, 1 Satoe Roepiah. The second version that I have found has a larger front and back 'plate', and is overall a larger note. It a heavier printed block serial, and the back plate is poorer quality, thicker lines with stubbed pinnacles of the border design.

- I'm adding an image of the right half of the back of both notes for comparison:

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