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Anyone Knows What The Heck This Listing Is?

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 Posted 05/23/2012  09:45 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I think it's someone's fantasy coin (the double-headed eagle is an almost certain giveaway), but maybe some other opinions?

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 Posted 05/23/2012  10:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First off, I should mention that this seller is a forum member (XavierOfGreen). So be nice, people.

It's not a coin, as you surmised. It's a British token, of the type known as "Conder tokens". Perth is a city in Scotland. The double-headed eagle crest with the Lamb of God on the shield is still the coat of arms of the city, as seen on the Wikipedia page.

This token is listed in the Dalton and Hamer catalogue as Perthshire #5 to #9, valued 10 pounds in British Fine condition.
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 Posted 05/23/2012  10:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Heck, I'll even bid on it. I think it'll go nice with my Western Australian tradesman tokens (Perth, Western Australia, was named after Perth, Scotland).
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 Posted 05/23/2012  12:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep Conder token, Scotland, county Perthshire, city of Perth, D&H 5 RR R-6 on the Sheldon scale which would mean about 30 of them known. That is probably a little low as Dr Sriro traces 17 offerings. This was a genuine trade token made for a merchant named Maxwell. It was manufactured by a coiner named Kendrick (first name unknown) from Birmingham England.
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 Posted 05/23/2012  4:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, had I found this item while looking for, say, a cartwheel-series halfpenny* (yeah, I know that it's 1799, not 1797, but not all collectors do), I would've been downright confused by it. I mean, the listing basically says "colonial Scottish halfpenny 1797" (which is just weird - colonial and Scottish?) with no mention even that this is a token as opposed to some actual Scottish coinage
No offense to the original lister (in fact I think I actually found the listing through the forum's top bar), but the listing would seriously gain from at least including the word "token". This is not a (quote) "OLD SCOTTISH COIN 1797 COLONIAL HALFPENNY", this is a token (and apparently not a common one either), and if so it should be listed as such (and as a bonus, it would be findable for actual token collectors, which will certainly drive the ultimate price much higher that it otherwise would've been).
Sorry if I gave an impression that I seriously thought it was just a weird fake If that's any consolation it was actually so weird that it didn't even feel like a fake, it just felt weird.


*) Just to check I did a search for "1797 halfpenny" (quotes not included) in ebay's UK coins category. The results included this listing, two other tokens, two actual 1799 halfpennies paired with 1797 pennies, and a George I halfpenny someone managed to attribute as 1797 (I personally read this as 1720 but it's hard to seriously say in so low a grade). Oh, and ebay also tried to helpfully send me to "1797 penny"
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 Posted 05/24/2012  4:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Yep Conder token,

Was this named after Conder101 back then?
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