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1961 Threepence

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 Posted 05/25/2012  02:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add the-purple-penny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's an MS67 with weak rim beads on the obverse, weak wheat stalk and weak ribbons at the base of the wheat stalks.
http://www.thepurplepenny.com/504,p...culated.html
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 Posted 05/25/2012  02:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Markn if it was anyone else's coin I would assume that the reverse was PMD.
Any idea how the beads/denticals are nearly obliterated in the minting process?
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 Posted 05/25/2012  03:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Trout,

That coin is straight out of an original mint roll so it's not PMD. Most likely it's because the coin blanks were not rimmed prior to minting. Without the raised rim the beads and denticles were not formed fully. Kind of like the Blakesley Effect you see on clipped coins, but just all the way round! A second (but less likely) explanation is that the production dies were slightly convex. This would allow lower striking pressure but ensuring that the centre of the design was fully struck up.

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 Posted 05/25/2012  03:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Mark, I noticed the centre of the design is a great strike obverse and reverse.
Not often you get a good portrait on the obverse of the 3d coins.
It must be something to do with the pressure that these were minted at, they probably just adjusted it to get the best overall effect.
That is why the portrait is never "all it could be" on these small coins
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 Posted 05/25/2012  03:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wwwww to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I understand they (try to) apply the principle across all coins regardless of type. I was just saying in the post above that a bit of strike weakness isn't going to stop a coin getting a grade anywhere (and including) up to MS66. Here's the coin, it's an MS66 and you'd have to agree there's more than a bit of weakness in the rim beads/denticles. Given the condition of this coin you'd say that Enworb's coin isn't going to be held back from an MS66 grade because of weakness, but because of other factors.


You'd be right on that, I called it an MS65 because of the surface marks at the base of the bust - the strike rarely holds Aussie coins back because it's usually well above average. A majority of the details on both the 1956 and 1963 threepence are strong - I say they fit perfectly within my chart.

They're well struck up coins - this is a poorly struck up coin:
http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...&lotNo=23514

The legends are incomplete due to an uneven strike, there's severe die rust in the fields which has been harshly cleaned leaving raised surface hairlines.
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