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If Greece Exits Stage Left - Silver & Gold Prices Do What?

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Poll Question
Having gained an appreciation for the opinions of those on the forum (Going to miss you Big Fredd), it occued to me after reading an article that gave "25 reasons Greece is going to leave the Euro" that it would be quite a frantic finacial event and would likely have a major impact on PMs.

So, the question that begs asking: What will happen to PMs? Is it a selling opportunity? Buying opportunity?



You might want to keep in mind that I'm outside the US and see things from a slightly different slant due to foreign exchange rates and the Dollar Index. (When the dollar strengthens, PM prices for US buyers goes down, but not here since global exchange rates also go up. When PM prices go up across the world, global exchange rates don't change and I pay the same as those in the US. Make sense?)

Please include your thoughts below.

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Gradual price increase - Euro troubles gradually unravel and the value against other currencies 19% 7 Votes
Sudden price increase - MAJOR Euro event panics investors and PMs go through the roof then pull back 36% 13 Votes
Nothing - PM prices will move horizontal 17% 6 Votes
Sudden price drop - stocks will drop, to cover losses traders will dump their PM holdings 14% 5 Votes
Gradual price drop - investors flee the Euro zone, pile into the US Dollar which strengthens 14% 5 Votes

Poll Status: Open
Total Votes: 36 Counted
Last Vote: 06/19/2012 06:11 am
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Looook out belowwww!
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Honestly, I don't think this would have a significant impact either way.

If anything it's going to be a move from market manipulation.
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I don't think it will have much impact. From the looks of it, most are expecting Greece to either leave or get booted from the Euro and it is already priced in.
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my undereducated guess is that US dollars will go up as investors trade Euros for the relatively stronger USD. This will then drive PM prices lower in a reactionary dive. That will not last though, as it is becoming more apparent the the world economy is nowhere near the fast track to recovery the power to be advertises. Gold will slowly climb while silver stays horizontal due to the push and pull effect of slacking industrial demand and safe haven buying (not counting market manipulation).
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Great comments, thanks gang!
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I voted the first choice....

I still see a steady climb up to late summer for PM's, which translates to a good time to get ready for a big drop an serious buying window, lol....
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Greece by itself will probably not have a huge impact on PM prices, although there likely will be some additional buying in Europe. My thought is that Greece will be the fuse that then detonates Italy and Spain. The EU will survive the exit of the smaller members but not the exit or collapse of Italy or Spain. Either of these two countries are too big to bail, so present quite a financial challenge to the EU, ECB, and the IMF. Clearly, they will need US and Chinese help to resolve this situation but who knows if they will get it.
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My guess. I very short term drop, then skyrocket as they realize the Euro is doomed (as is every other fiat currency).
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Prices will mostly likely fall for paper silver and gold. As prices fall, premiums for physical coins and bars will go up or availability will decrease as dealers hold back on selling what they have. Long term nothing can hold prices down with the amount of debt in the world and no way to pay it off other than inflate or issue and new type of currency or digital money.
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I don't see Greece alone making a big impact.
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I don't see Greece alone making a big impact.


A Greece exit will have more of an impact than you think. First, a lot of goodwill was burned up by Greece's failure to meet it's rescue obligations. This will likely translate into even more severe and less flexible austerity requirements for the remaining PIgS. Second, several news sources have reported that Moody's will likely reevaluate it's ratings on sovereign debt for the entire Euro zone, with downgrades very likely for member countries. Greece may be hurting, but the pain is about to be spread around the rest of Europe very very soon.
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Greece may be the start of events which could end up driving up PMs, but their exit alone will not cause cause this. It could have a trickle down effect though.
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A lot of it might depend on "how" Greece leaves the EU. I can envision monetary aid that hadn't been available suddenly coming on line from a variety of different sources that few could anticipate. It bears remembering that the loans Greece received in the past weren't there to bail out the government as much as they were to save the banking sector- due to systemic risk, or so they say. If Greece were to exit the EU but still pay lip service to austerity via whatever government happens to be in power when all this goes down, perhaps the IMF or even the FED would feel obligated to step in an save its Mediterranean banker friends. Some wealthy Middle Eastern country wanting to become a major player from the ground up in Greco affairs, perhaps? Or China or Russia, or even Europe, all over again. It all depends on how a Greek default affects other central banks and how much some countries fear widespread bank runs, potential credit downgrades from doing business with Greek banks, spreading contagion, and a possible double-dip recession or stock market collapse, among other nasty things. I'm spit-balling here, but who'd have ever guessed that Lehman Bros. would have had such an impact on world markets back in the fall of 2008? Not the majority of US economists or government advisors, that's for sure.
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I think PMS will go up. any financial crisis will cause a rise in PM prices. we have no idea about any hidden ties that our banks have with greeces and the euro. they are there and a euro crisis will have a major effect on the US.
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Agreed, once the dust settles from Greece leaving the EU, metals will go up. The paper metals traders will panic first though and drive prices down so that they can cover other losses. This has already happened a couple times.

I think what is coming is a separation between paper commodity prices and actual physical metal. You will see much higher premiums for coins and bars over the spot price.
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