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 Posted 06/02/2012  9:29 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Toronto1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
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$150 99999 1/3OZ GOLD COIN ISSUE PRICE $940 SOLD FOR $575 ($10 OVER SPOT)

ok?
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 Posted 06/02/2012  9:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RoyalSilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 06/02/2012  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add middross to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK. I guess this just proves your point that nobody should ever buy coins from the RCM.

You know that most people that buy coins from the RCM, buy them because they enjoy collecting them and not solely for making a profit.
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 Posted 06/03/2012  12:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
huh? getting something for melt is a great deal
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 Posted 06/03/2012  06:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps not surprising with a lot of NCLT gold.

I have seen this happen before, quite often, with other issues.
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 Posted 06/03/2012  07:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ksimms3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
this doesn't surprise me either, any pics from the event?
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the fact that precious metal NCLT coins are often extremely overpriced based on the mount of AU or AG in them, I would expect this to happen eventually. However there are obviously exceptions based on rarity and simple supply and demand.
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 Posted 06/03/2012  11:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dooby Rak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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$150 99999 1/3OZ GOLD COIN ISSUE PRICE $940 SOLD FOR $575 ($10 OVER SPOT)


Not OK. This proves nothing. It does not prove anybody bought a coin for that much. It does not prove coins are worth their melt value.

This could be a fluke occurrence. The fact is everybody is talking fact based on rumor and innuendo. Nobody has provided specifics of this sale let alone proved a sale has occurred. It is possible that the coin was not purchased from a dealer but from a person looking to sell the coin quickly. If you look on ebay this type of coin typically sells for $700-$900 but it is possible to buy for $570.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-9999-F...em1e6dc511c2

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw...H_Complete=1

So nothing is proven. In fact I bet this coin could be easily flipped for a 20% to 35% profit on ebay within a few days. There for the statement that you will loose money buying coins from the mint is totally false. Deals on coins can always be found and it is based more on the circumstances of the sale then the resale value of the coin. Just because a pawn broker in the US will only offer you melt for a Canadian coin has no reflection of the resale or investment value of a coin.


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 Posted 06/03/2012  12:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If you look on ebay this type of coin typically sells for $700-$900


I haven't tracked this coin to know its sales history, but if the stated $700 to $900 range is accurate, it would seem that it is currently selling for less than the RCM issue price of $940. True, the $570 figure may be an aberration, but it appears your stated selling range represents a discount of ~5% to ~25% off issue price.

This would seem to support an aftermarket purchase if return-on-investment is your only motivation. If you are collecting for the joy of it, however, the price differential is likely not as important.


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 Posted 06/03/2012  1:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dooby Rak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it was the 2009 Blessing coin the issue price was $799 and back then gold was $1000/oz. You would have to be a true collector or a fool to pay 2.5x spot for a coin for a coin they were going to make 5000 of.

The 2010 Blessing coin sold for $940 and they made 1388. In 2010 gold was $1200 to $1400, making this coin 2X spot. Poor value and not a good decision for a collector.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw...H_Complete=1

Oh and the 2010 sells for around $900 to $1000 with shipping so no real loss of value there either.

The 2011 Blessing coin sold for $988 and they made only 888. In 2011 gold was $1500 to $1900, making this coin the best value at under 2X spot. A good investment decision.

By the way if you bought a 2011 Blessing coin it is now worth over $2000:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/150-Pure-Go...em20c4a92126

Again, what does any of this prove? Some coins win and some loose or that the buyer should make educated decision when buying coins.


@Toronto1; flip that coin you can make 50% to 100% on your money.



I am betting the latest 1812 gold coin will do well. With only 2000(?) made and selling at around 1.5x spot this coin will go up. With gold predicted to be at around $2000/oz in the future this coin will sell for more than the issue price. The last coin on ebay sold for $700. That's 23% above the issue price already. If they don't sell the whole issue and with the price of gold going up this could be a $800 to $1000 coin in ten years. That is a good predicted return on investment.

If all you are looking to do is make money buy FB Facebook at under $20 and wait 5 years. FB will be a $100 stock eventually based on projected future revenue streams and based on it doing even 1/2 as well as Google. Its already embedded into out social infrastructure. that's a possible 5X return.

Where you going to put your money, coins, bullion or stocks? What ever you do don't keep it in the bank, better to keep it under your bed.

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 Posted 06/03/2012  1:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

@Dooby Rak: It appears you have strong opinions in this area. I wasn't looking for a "fight" - I was just commenting on the data presented in the posts. Nothing more. I personally don't collect the coins under discussion, so I don't have comments on their merits one way or the other.
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 Posted 06/03/2012  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dooby Rak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@commems: my comments weren't directed at you. My point is you can prove anything with conjecture and opinion. Even facts can lie. 90% of most statistics aren't correct also. For every example of a coin that looses money I can show you one that makes money.

If you are collecting to make money collect smart. Don't buy a coin priced at 3X the precious metal spot price. Most investors that make money spend 2 hours per week researching that particular stock before they buy and after they buy it.

If you are collecting for love don't worry about it. Just collect what makes you happy and do it because you enjoy it and not to make a profit.

Off topic but I don't just collect coins. I collect many things and don't expect to make a profit on every item I own.

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@ Dooby Rak. If this was directed at me, I was being sarcastic towards the constant negative comments made by Toronto1 regarding RCM coins. I know that it proves nothing, but he seems to think that it does.
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 Posted 06/03/2012  6:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dooby Rak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@middross: kind of directed at Toronto1. I don't care if he hates the mint, there are many valid reasons to do so. I guess my problem is that he is not proving anything and presenting false evidence. If anybody has a valid point and can present corroborated evidence with specifics details to prove it then fine.

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Real statisticians throw out at least the top and bottom 5% of every dataset.
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@Toronto1, it's vital and essential for every society and community to have different voices. However, it's important for all individuals to realize that they need to voice their opinions without being disrespectful to others. The majority of us here share a common interest and yet you seem to take every possible chance to discourage us.

We're listening but please take the effort to make your voice heard.
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