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How Do You Spot Fake Morgans?

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 Posted 02/20/2007  10:54 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mathman to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Brand new member. I've been lurking and reading for a couple of weeks. I haven't read all the posts yet, so if this is redundant, sorry.

I'm looking to collect Morgans and being a hick from the middle of nowhere, ebay seems to be my primary source. I'm starting with the lower end of the grading scale, so for the most part I imagine I won't have to worry about fakes so much, but, at the same time, I do have the ability to buy better coins if I can snag a decent deal. The caveat "you get what you pay for," however, is too true too often. So...

How do you spot the fake Morgans?

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 Posted 02/20/2007  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add texasmick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I recommend you read as much by our member Swamperbob as possible.

Here is a thread I started: http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...OPIC_ID=7163
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 Posted 02/20/2007  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tnwalker10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mathman, welcome to coin community! You will find the nicest, most knowledgeable collectors here at cc. From personal experience, beware ebay. It can be a minefield. However, there are some good sellers on ebay. I would recommend our member's listings at coin community. I have bought from Bobby131313 and been well pleased. There are other members that have excellent listings also. Rick
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 Posted 02/20/2007  12:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tnwalker10 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mathman, Superdave has quite a few really nice Morgans listed right now. Also, you can learn a lot about the different varieties from studying his listings. Rick
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 Posted 02/20/2007  8:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Mathman and welcome to the forum! Plenty of friendly people here and all willing to share their collective expertise.

There's two basic types of fake Morgans: (1) those which copy less common and hence more valuable Morgans such as many from the Carson City (CC) Mint, e.g. 1889CC, 1893CC, 1879CC. These are intended to deceive collectors of rare coins; most are purportedly in mint condition or higher circulated condition. And (2) those which are/were intended for circulation and/or the La Vegas slot machines. The latter are currently much less common and than the former since Morgans are no longer used either in circulation nor in slot machines; these are seldom offered on ebay.

Most fakes are cast copies and, in hand probably wouldn't fool many people since they look "funny" and generally weigh noticeably less than an authentic Morgan. The surfaces are dull with a "leaden" appearance (due to the lead used to keep the weight up) and the fields (flat parts of the coins) have a graininess due to the casting. There is no "cartwheeling" (reflects light) to most fake Morgans. The problem is with buying coins from pictures which makes detection more difficult but, with exceptions not impossible.

More recent counterfeits of less common Morgans may be of more sophisticated construction using stamping techniques and actual silver. A few will fool even experts, but these are very uncommon. If one does not know Morgans all that well but is interested in investment or high grade coins, buy only authenticated and encapsulated (slabbed) coins by the top third party grading services, i.e., ANACS, NGC, PCGS, and ICG.

Many, many contemporary counterfeits originate from China and one should view all Morgan auctions originating in China with a cynical eye. We Morgan nuts usually (but not always) spot the obvious and less obvious fakes on ebay and promptly report them. Unless they're a one- or three-day auction, ebay normally responds and pulls the auctions. This subject on safe coin shopping on ebay needs amplification, but there's neither time nor space here. See the Auctions forum section. For common date and mint mark Morgans on ebay, almost all raw (unslabbed) Morgans are authentic (problems such as cleaning and damage notwithstanding) since the real money in counterfeits is to be made with the uncommon and rare dates and mintmarks. Buy only from established dealers and sellers with good feedback.

Bottom line: educate yourself on Morgans before buying. A good start: Q. David Bowers' Official Red Book of Morgan Silver Dollars.
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 Posted 02/20/2007  8:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Becky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome!!

One of the best teachers is experience. Look at and handle as many Morgans as possible. Go to shops and shows, anywhere you can go to pick them up. Give yourself some time and before you know it, you will look and just know something isn't quite right.......and you will be right.
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