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What Happens To Old Drachma If Greece Drops The Euro?

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so if greece drops the euro and re-incarnates the drachma will the old (currently demonitized) coins be legal tender again? or would the new drachma coins be "new drachma" and have nothing to do with the old versions?

add or take away from collector value or the old drachma coins?

add or take away from the greece euro issue coins?


thoughts?
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The old drachme will remain the old drachme and not become legal tender again.
The Greek euro coins will remain legal tender in the other European countries, as they have the same technical specifications as the other coins.
There are also Greek euro-notes.
They can be identified by a leading Y in the number.
They will also remain legal tender in the other countries as harldy anyone is aware of that...
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 Posted 06/17/2012  4:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Westwood Arms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If Greece leaves the Euro, they will not re-monetize the old Drachma because they would lose control of money supply and increase risk of inflation (which will happen anyway).

Most countries' coins are collected by the citizens of that country. If Greece leaves the Euro, their economy will suck more than it already does. Therefore the worsening economy will impede the purchase of collectible coins, both Drachmas and Euros, by Greeks and the price will fall.
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Most countries' coins are collected by the citizens of that country.

But there aren't many collectors in Europe who exclusively collect coins from "their" country. And as for the original question, as others have said, the old drachma cash has become worthless (except for possible collector value). The redemption period ended about three months ago, on 1 March 2012 ...

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If Greece leaves the Euro, their economy will suck more than it already does


its not really IF, more like WHEN. and when they do the new currency will devalue rather quickly.

inflation WITHIN greece isn't the only problem, its when people realize the debts they owe foreign members of the EU are still owed in euro, and that their new money is worth half of what it was, and they then choose to default on the debt.

greece's economy cant get any worse, its just a matter of who they drag down with them
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The vast majority of old drachma coins and notes will have been sold off for scrap, now that the deadline for redemption has passed. The surviving remnant isn't going to be of any use in remonetizing Greece once the dust settles.

Greece would, in such a circumstance, issue "new drachmas". They may not even re-use the "drachma" name despite it's historic association with Greece, perhaps settling on "phoenix" (the name of the original Greek currency in the 1820s) or some other name instead.

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But there aren't many collectors in Europe who exclusively collect coins from "their" country.

I would see Greece as an exception. Language is always a major barrier to cross-cultural coin collecting. The uniqueness of the Greek alphabet makes coins from everywhere else in Europe look as "alien" as Russian or Japanese coins look to English-speakers. Add to this the large Greek diaspora who want to own a piece of the homeland and the prohibition in Greece of private ownership of any artefact (including coins) older than 1826, and you get a situation where the only coins that most Greek coin collectors are willing and able to collect are Greek coins made after 1826. I predict demand for post-1826 Greek coins will be as strong as ever.

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add or take away from the greece euro issue coins?

One thing I've heard little discussion about anywhere is: if Greece pulls out of the Eurozone, what happens to all the Greek euro coins and Greek-printed notes now in circulation, both in Greece and elsewhere in the Eurozone? Would the ECB still guarantee their full face value, or would they cut them off completely, declaring them Greece's problem? In that case, the euro would split into two separate currencies, with a "Greek euro" and an "everybody else's euro", only they'd all be mixed up together after 10 years of inter-circulation. Sorting and separating the Greek-euro coins and notes out from the rest of the Eurozone physical currency pool would be a huge and expensive task, with "worthless" Greek euros constantly turning up in people's change for decades to come. They might even have to withdraw, redesign and reissue all coins and notes in the entire non-Greek Eurozone to try to prevent this from happening. Abandoning the euro and starting again might be cheaper.

Eventually, "Greek euro coins" would come to be seen as scarce, since they wouldn't have been in the Eurozone for very long (assuming the euro itself doesn't collapse entirely in the near future) and there would therefore be relatively few of them, especially if a mass withdrawal and recycling occurred. But in the short term, the value of Greek euro coins would either stay the same or go down.
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 Posted 06/18/2012  01:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
looks like the new democrats just won the election, and they are supporting sticking it out (with the euro).

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One thing I've heard little discussion about anywhere is: if Greece pulls out of the Eurozone, what happens to all the Greek euro coins and Greek-printed notes now in circulation, both in Greece and elsewhere in the Eurozone?

While coins and maybe notes are important or us, from a collector's point of view, we all know that they are just a tiny fraction of the money supply. :) Most "other money" could be tracked in one way or another.

Legally it is not possible for any euro country to leave the currency union but stay in the European Union; Greece would have to leave the EU. But let us assume that some way could be found around this. Then the "Greek euro" cash that I have right now, for example, would simply continue to be euro cash. In Greece, however, the cash supply could be limited - this way the Greek could not withdraw much euro cash before a cash changeover. Maybe this could be combined with extra searches for "undeclared" cash if anybody travels from/to Greece.

And yes, nobody knows how long the euro will be around. Its base has, as I have written many times before, never been very stable but quite a few here in Europe thought it would work as some other European projects have worked: Let's get it started, even with flaws, and then fix the flaws "en route". Has not really worked his time. But all this mourning - or cheering, depending on which part of the world one is in - may be a little premature ...

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I would guess that many Greeks took their old drachma jars to central bank during redemption period. Redemption period ended here in Finland in february and many citizens queued to central bank to change their bank notes and coin hoards to euros. Numismatists were in every media and told not to hoard common worthless markka cash for investment purposes. I took even my common silver commems to central bank as I was sure their value will drop below face value - and it did. In Finland and Greece old national currency values may go down in short term, but maybe in couple of decades people may note that there are not much these left and easily to get. I
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