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Help With ID Chinese Coin With Interesting Casting Error (?)

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 Posted 06/25/2012  12:35 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
sorry in advance for the crappy picture, I will post more when I get the coin in hand,

if I am reading it correctly I come up with:

_?_ yung tung pao

cant find a reference to the top symbol, and cant find anything with yung as the second to cross reference.

also, if anyone would care to comment on the split in the planchet I am all ears (i dont know if this is a cast coin and therefore a casting error or a struck coin and something that happened when the coin was struck or possibly even PMD).

i know there is a collector market for US and canadian error coins, is there a market for these older types? (ive seen a lot of these chinese coins but none with a split like this)

thankyou

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 Posted 06/25/2012  2:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsnpaper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a Japanese cash coin- Tem-po Tsu-ho (top-bottom-right-left), from the Ashio mint, Cr 1-9 in Krause 1700's catalogue. There it is dated 1741.(The mint mark is sideways, it should be at the top. Jones lists it as the large characters variety of 1741, made of copper.
Splits are a normal part of cast coinage- these were made in sand mould, with the master pressed into each side, the coins connected (hence the sprue on the Tao Kuang issue on this forum. The two moulds were bound together, and the molten metal poured into them. The coins were then broken off the "money tree", a square stick run through their middle, and the rims usually filed smooth- obverse, reverse, inner and outer. If the sand moved during the casting process, you would get a void. The coins could be remelted, and cast again, or released.
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 Posted 07/02/2012  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add davidhartill to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a 寬永e€šå¯¶ Kan Ei Tsu Ho not Tempo.
Ashio, Shimotsuke Province, 1741-45.

May I modestly suggest my new book "Early Japanese Coins", which is the latest on the subject. Available from authorsonline.co.uk, or Amazon. This coin is 4.201.
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 Posted 07/02/2012  6:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsnpaper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am getting sloppy- too busy, and relying on my fading memory. You are absolutely correct in the attribution.
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thanks both, i'll post some decent pics when I get the coin in hand
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 Posted 07/19/2012  12:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Japanese coin finally arrived,

here's some better pics:

thanks again for the help guys

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 Posted 07/19/2012  12:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tokenmast to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
square stick run through their middle, and the rims usually filed smooth-


wow! something I had wondered about for years but had not thought to ask THANK YOU !

Makes perfect sense for a square hole
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