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 Posted 06/25/2012  8:05 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add dougsmit to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Who would like to write the words to go with this photo? I know there will be one of you who appreciates what was lost here.



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 Posted 06/25/2012  8:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eng5858 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


dougsmit,

Wow that horrible, I'm sure you tried everything in your power, this could happen to any of us, sorry to see this......
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 Posted 06/25/2012  8:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This reminds me of a post that Sap put up about a year ago and discussed the fact that sometimes the detail on a coin is preserved only by the patina, and that the underlying metal is fragile and can disappear when the patina is removed.

A soak in olive oil and then some renwax may at least restore the color, maybe.

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06/25/2012 8:43 pm
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 Posted 06/25/2012  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add w00zi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow that's too bad. This is one of the reasons why I try to avoid bronze and copper coinage. The noble metals are resistant to oxidation.
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 Posted 06/25/2012  9:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
darn....i don't know the coin..but that is scary...

Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words, how about this one..

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sorry ds!

what is the best way to prevent this? vigilance? dehumidifier? drying the crap out of the coins? wax after drying? all of the above?
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 Posted 06/25/2012  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add w00zi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From a chemistry perspective, the worst thing you could do is touch bronze coins with your bare hands! The chloride ions from the salt on your skin react with the copper ions in the bronze to form cuprous chlorides. When exposed to moist air, the cuprous chlorides are hydrolyzed to form hydrochloric acid and basic cupric chloride. The hydrochloric acid then reacts with uncoroded copper metal to form more cuprous chlorides. This reaction will continue until no metal remains. In summery, don't touch bronze or copper coins with un-gloved hands.
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 Posted 06/25/2012  10:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oxos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Old age is a curse! I know first hand.

Some of your coins... you can't save. Pity.
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 Posted 06/25/2012  10:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
interesting woozi, I knew the moisture bad part and knew chlorides (or similar something or others) is tap water was bad (soak in distilled), but didn't think about skin secretions. after I put them in flips, I don't touch again, and I put silica gel packs in my coin box. and I check out my rather small collection frequently. am I doing enough?
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 Posted 06/25/2012  10:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
*Trust me ... I just want to touch your sweet coin for a short moment*

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 Posted 06/25/2012  10:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks W00zi--perhaps I should be more careful with my coins.
I live near salt water, and I'm careful to keep my coins sealed from humidity and airborne salts.
The strange thing about "bronze disease", you would think brass fittings on boats would be corroded in a similar way, but they're not. There are bronze statues right on the water here that don't corrode either. Perhaps BD also has to do with impurities in the original metal?

I don't recognize Doug's coin, but that's a sad progression!
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 Posted 06/25/2012  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add w00zi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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would think brass fittings on boats would be corroded in a similar way
great question. There are alloys of brass which are highly resistant to attack by chlorides. And as for the bronze statues, I will assume they are made of a corrosion resistant bronze alloy like aluminum and copper (there are many alloys of copper which are defined as bronze). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze
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 Posted 06/25/2012  10:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Really sad to see that happen.
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 Posted 06/26/2012  10:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Archraz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yikes, that's too bad. I guess that it just shows how fragile ancient coins can be.
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 Posted 06/26/2012  11:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TJsCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Doug. I am sorry to see your bronze disease blues On a plus side: it looks like you have arrested the decay.

Did you soak the coin in distilled water and then bake in the oven as a cure?

Do you have a protocol that you use for BD?
Do you plan to ren wax this coin after you are convinced the BD is gone?
I know that there is more than one oppinion on how to deal with BD. Would like to hear your oppinion:)
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 Posted 06/26/2012  11:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ammarabdulfattah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow :S that hurts just to watch. I hope that is the last coin that does that with you.
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 Posted 06/26/2012  1:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dougsmit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This coin was treated with an approximation of Sodium sesquicarbonate (home made solution from Sodium carbonate and Sodium bicarbonate) followed by a wash in distilled water and drying. The coin is still in the drying phase. It will be watched daily for a while and then weekly before it is put away again. I do not believe in waxing or any coating that will hold whatever is inside in there. This is only my second BD coin since I try to avoid buying them. I believe from the original photo that the coin had been waxed with colored wax in the areas that turned green. Notice there is no green in the left photo but there is surface irregularity there.
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