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Help! Pls Check This Coins For They Are Genuine

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 Posted 06/28/2012  09:43 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Suziah to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
MY father have Chinese coins on him that was given to him by his father's father. They are all either Chinese or Japanese. Can you please check if they are fake or not and give a detail explanation as to why it is fake or vice versa. I could not find the picture or decipher the words in coinconquest.com. There is a total of 13 coins. I apologize for the blurry picture. WE don't have a camera so we had to make do with my phone.
Here are the coins:
Coin one
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Coin two
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Coin three
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Coin four
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Coin five
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Coin 6
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Coin 7
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Coin eight
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(I'll post the others after I've figure out what these eight are)
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 Posted 06/28/2012  12:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You're saying these were given to you by your grand father?!

These coins looks like modern day replicas.
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 Posted 06/28/2012  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply



But I read it as Fathers Fathers Father.... Great Grandfather?
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 Posted 06/28/2012  4:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ Suziah,

Please search some of the previous posts here regarding Chinese fake coins.

Oh!

As to why I don't want to share anymore information regarding Chinese made replicas coins, is that counterfeiters can read upon forums like these to help improve upon their fake production.

I hope CCF members share similar thought regarding to this subject matter. I know it may not be fair to new members, but some new members only want information and leave quicker then signing up. There are already too many fakes out there hurting the numismatic hobby.
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 Posted 06/28/2012  6:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jokingjoker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 06/29/2012  05:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, but if your great-grandfather owned these, then he must have acquired them just a few years ago, because they're all modern mass-produced fakes.

There are a great many things wrong with most of the coins. While I share macmercury's unwillingness to allow the forum to become a university for forgery improvement, we nevertheless wish to see the forum become a university for Counterfeit Detection. Therefore it might perhaps be useful to point out several faults with these coins, to give folks an idea of the kind of things that are wrong with them.

Coin 1: The shape of the numerals in the fineness mark, 900, are completely the wrong size and shape. Compare with genuine.

Coin 2: This was never struck as an actual circulation coin. Extremely scarce patterns with this design exist but were never delivered to China. Compare with genuine.

Coin 4: This "birds over junk" dollar has so much wrong with it that it really is "junk" in the common sense; sorry. As an example, a commonly seen error on these copies is "broken rays". Logically, the sunrays shining between and to the left of the sails should match up with a ray actually coming from the sun. Follow the red line and you'll see it doesn't line up properly on yours:

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Compare it with this genuine example, taken from a coin sold at auction recently - it lines up perfectly:

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Coin 5: Um, it's turning green. Silver coins don't normally do that.

Coin 7: See the comments made for both coin 1 and coin 5.

And some general advice for the newbies that might see such coins for sale either on ebay or in the street markets: if you see even just one coin that's definitely fake, mixed in for sale with a whole bunch of similar coins you're not sure of, then you can safely assume that every single one of them is fake.
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 Posted 06/29/2012  07:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Suziah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So its safe to assume that all of these coins are fake then ==" ohh dear.. that doesn't sound good
Thank you very much for all the help guys! Especially to Sap :D
And to answer you questions, yes this coins are old (based on what I heard from my dad)
And no, these are not given to me by my great grandfather..
My dad said that it was passed on from generation
The coins are on my father's possession now... he said that our great great father got it as payment during their times.
And I really apologize if I sounded a bit too redundant with asking about this since I keep searching in the internet and keep coming up with the fact that these coins are fake..i just had to make sure
I definitely can't tell this to my dad.. he'd surely be heartbroken by this news...thank you again anyway :D
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