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Which is less common, rare or scarce? Now about value, lets consider a date that doesn't have any " RedBook" varieties, but has multiple Newcomb varieties. Are the varieties that are considered scarce or rare worth more to the average collector or enthusiast?
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Rare is less common. On the Sheldon Scale Scarce is in the R3 R4 range and Rare is R5 and higher.

Regarding values of varieties for average collectors my personal opinion is that they don't affect the price much. However, there are some serious collectors who focus on the varieties and they feel differently than me regarding value. If I'm buying a coin and it's R1 or R2 or R3 I'm not interested in paying a premium for the R3.
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pick up a 1916-D Winged Liberty Dime and you have one of the most sought after rarities of the 20th century.
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Where does one find these rarity ratings?
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Where does one find these rarity ratings?


One source is the books written to help identify the die varieties. I have Penny Whimsy by Sheldon (Large Cents 1793 - 1814) and Early Half Dollar Die Varieties of 1794-1836 by Parsley.

Both have the rarity scales with minor differences. I'm sure they are also on web sites - here's the scale from Penny Whimsy

R-8 = (Nearly unique 1-3 known)
R-7 = (Extremely Rare 4-12)
R-6 = (Very Rare13-30)
R-5 = (Rare 31-75)
R-4 = (Very Scarce 76-200)
R-3 = Scarce
R-2 = (Not So Common)
R-1 = (Common)

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So I guess these would correspond to the common, scarce, very scarce, and rare used on the pcgs website as R-1, R-3, R-4, and R-5. Actually found two R-3s in my collection so far.

Also, it seems like the assignments are relative to the date as there was a common 1799 cent, which is far from common.
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pick up a 1916-D Winged Liberty Dime and you have one of the most sought after rarities of the 20th century.


Sought after? Yes. Rare? Not really. You can find several for sale at most coin shows. Try finding an 1885 3 cent nickle business strike though.
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Rare is less common. Equates to "How Many." Some collectors pay high premiums above the R4 range.
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When dealing with large cents and I believe capped bust halves as well, usually there is no premium below R-4 and many R-4 coins have on;y a slight premium. In general it has to be R-5 to have a significant premium over type coin money. I think the same holds for most 19th century series.

There are always exceptions though. One of the last Draped bust cent I need is an extremely popular variety from 1803. The rarity is down to around an R-4- now but it is still over $5K in G-4. The 1839 N-1 the 9/6 is only an R-3 or 3+ but it will cost you hundreds of dollars in Good. Compare those prices to type coin money for those dates.
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